I Just decided that Godzilla 98 is Canon

[MaxDefiant]

But to clarify I don't think Zilla or Goji is Godzilla of course, he is just another one of many monsters in the Godzilla universe. The biggest reason I think he has to be considered as canon is because of his inclusion in Final Wars (Which I'm watching right now) and because he's mentioned at the beginning of Godzilla Against MG (Or was it Tokyo SOS?) This doesn't seem like much of a revelation I know, but I have been slowly designing new DVD covers to all my movies and now I will need to do the same for Godzilla 98.

[Berzerkgodzilla]

He was mentioned in GMK, not MG or Tokyo SOS

[Inferno Rodan]

What "canon" are you talking about? It has no direct connection whatsoever to any other movies in the franchise. If you mean in the sense that it's actually a Godzilla movie... well duh. That's not exactly a revelation.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

I have no problem accepting some modified version of the story as occurring in the GMK (yeah, the joke opened the door, if not explicitly) or Final Wars universes...but I don't remember that being the source of much debate. Should we argue viciously about it for a while, just so it feels like a real discussion?

[zilla103192]

Should we argue viciously about it for a while, just so it feels like a real discussion?

Meh. I'm game...

YOU'RE WRONG!! STFU!!!



OT: I always put 98 in front of GMK and FW. But that's really it.

I DID do a fan timeline that connects all the Godzilla (and a few other toho Kaiju) films. But in reality it can't be done.

[Grayshot954]

I thought it worked really well, even the tv series. The U.S. was ignorant of monsters until one bit the in the ... at New York. What followed was a series of giant creatures across the world arising from the real Godzilla's disaperance until Godzilla 2000. After that all the new arrivals stopped thanks to the resurgance in the pacific. He then reappeared in GFW and then in Godzilla Daikaiju. Duh.

But in the Godzilla canon I always thought it was very flexible except for a few instances.
Timeline:
Godzilla appears in 54 and dies.
New one appears and lasts until 75 where it mysteriously disapears.
New Godzilla appears and creates the Heisei timeline.
Godzilla meltsdown and Junior takes charge.
Junior, slightly deformed thanks to the radiation appears in Millenium and then in Megaguirus.
GMK is Junior, after being obliterated by black hole and regenerating into a more normal Godzilla form, taken over by spirits and returning.
GXM occurs one year later, Godzilla regenerates into new form, and fights Mechagodzilla for two years.
Godzilla is frozen shortly after and is in the ice shortly before being released by the Gotengo. Thus ending the Godzilla timeline.

Yes I skipped over a lot but this is what I always thought of it in my head. A really simplified version of course.

[RedZillaKing]

No Grayshot. There are separate canons. In the case of G2K and GXMGG they're supposed to be direct sequels to G54.

[Grayshot954]

:lol:

No Grayshot. There are separate canons. In the case of G2K and GXMGG they're supposed to be direct sequels to G54.

I meant if you had to lump them all together. I know they are seperate canons. Thats just how I would fuse them all together because that is what I thought the topic writer was talking about. Which I know is impossible. Just saying. Though the fusion of the showa and Heisei would be pretty easy if not for two problems. Destroy all Monsters and Showa Godzilla's disapearance.

[Goji]

^ Well, also add to the fact that Godzilla was originally conceived as a "deep sea reptile" awoken by nuclear tests, and not a dinosaur mutated by radiation. Both Godzilla's were presumably considered to be just that in the Showa continuity. He was never a mutated "Godzillasaurus" until GODZILLA VS. KING GHIDORAH was written.

[Hellspawn28]

GINO is it's own movie since it's a remake. It's not link to any other movie, I'm personally sick of personal canon's. Why not stick with the facts and not fan made bullshit?

[Grayshot954]

Why not stick with the facts

That is an excelent point.

and not fan made bullshit?

One step forward, two steps back...

[Godz]

I thought it worked really well, even the tv series. The U.S. was ignorant of monsters until one bit the in the ... at New York. What followed was a series of giant creatures across the world arising from the real Godzilla's disaperance until Godzilla 2000. After that all the new arrivals stopped thanks to the resurgance in the pacific. He then reappeared in GFW and then in Godzilla Daikaiju. Duh.

But in the Godzilla canon I always thought it was very flexible except for a few instances.
Timeline:
Godzilla appears in 54 and dies.
New one appears and lasts until 75 where it mysteriously disapears.
New Godzilla appears and creates the Heisei timeline.
Godzilla meltsdown and Junior takes charge.
Junior, slightly deformed thanks to the radiation appears in Millenium and then in Megaguirus.
GMK is Junior, after being obliterated by black hole and regenerating into a more normal Godzilla form, taken over by spirits and returning.
GXM occurs one year later, Godzilla regenerates into new form, and fights Mechagodzilla for two years.
Godzilla is frozen shortly after and is in the ice shortly before being released by the Gotengo. Thus ending the Godzilla timeline.

Yes I skipped over a lot but this is what I always thought of it in my head. A really simplified version of course.

If you really want to tie it all together like that, the 2nd Showa Godzilla dies and is replaced by a fully grown Minya. Imagine that...Minya becomes the badass Heisei Godzilla.

[Grayshot954]

If you really want to tie it all together like that, the 2nd Showa Godzilla dies and is replaced by a fully grown Minya. Imagine that...Minya becomes the badass Heisei Godzilla.

Yet Godzillasaurus was deffently the Godzilla in the Heisei. I just like to imagine Godzilla & Minilla mysterious disapeared.

[TokyoVigilante]

Fans and nerd culture as a whole put waaay to much stock in the importance of continuity. Continuity does not matter. If the story is strong in a self-contained sense and doesn't fit in with this-and-that other film, then it's still a good story being told.

[MaxDefiant]

He was mentioned in GMK, not MG or Tokyo SOS

Ahh yes, that was it, thanks for clarifying.

What "canon" are you talking about? It has no direct connection whatsoever to any other movies in the franchise. If you mean in the sense that it's actually a Godzilla movie... well duh. That's not exactly a revelation.

He shows up in Final Wars so how is that not a direct connection?

I guess I just always shrugged off the American Godzilla as not a REAL Godzilla movie and lumped it in with other action movies. I think from now on I'll add it to the other 28 films.

[Berzerkgodzilla]

Fans and nerd culture as a whole put waaay to much stock in the importance of continuity. Continuity does not matter. If the story is strong in a self-contained sense and doesn't fit in with this-and-that other film, then it's still a good story being told.

It keeps some people happy, I mean there hasn't been as much Godzilla as people would like, so everyone just start to discuss other things about the movies, like for some godawful reason the contunuity

[Hellspawn28]

Having all of these movies into one timeline would be a total mess. Why can't people be happy with the timelines that we have?

[Grayshot954]

Some people think it would be an awesome challenge to fuse most, ignores three painful movies, of the canon and have characters interact that have never done so before. And these people could have made multiple stories for the KWC involving these characters and it would be very hurtful to some people to have his...I meant their heads ripped off based on a fight over continuity which would hurt their feelings.... Thats is why.

[Tyler]

GINO is its own movie and GTS can be seen as a sequel. The joke in GMK was exactly that - a joke. Zilla in Final Wars is just as random as any of the other monsters. It's not like the movie makes sense anyway.

[Shadow]

Having all of these movies into one timeline would be a total mess. Why can't people be happy with the timelines that we have?

No! People have to bitch or it will consume them, body and soul. Deal with it.