Is TK going to be apart of the Internet Strike

[GodzillavsJason]

Do you have any idea what would happen if SOPA and PIPA passed? Many web sites will be gone. YouTube, EBay, Wikipedia all those sites will be taking down if those two bills pass. Besides pirating will be around for a long time just about everyone does it. So it seems like you just want the Internet to end.

[spinzilla]

I can't pirate movies anymore. D:

Translation.

SOPA will user in an era of peace, none like we ever seen before.

[GodzillavsJason]

I can't pirate movies anymore. D:

Translation.

SOPA will user in an era of peace, none like we ever seen before.

You're an idiot for thinking SOPA is a good idea and you're going to regret voting for it.

[Kaiju-King42]

I can't pirate movies anymore. D:

Translation.

SOPA will user in an era of peace, none like we ever seen before.

No, I don't pirate movies. The worst I ever did was find The Return of Godzilla and Megalon online, and even then I couldn't download even if I wanted to download. I'm just concerned about MY freedoms. Cause if YOUR government passes that law, your going to have one pissed off Kanuk on TK, cause guess what, It affects my country too, as well as all others. Why does one country get to decide for the entire world, hmm? It's unacceptable for any country.

And because of that "peace", I wonder if passing that law could possibly attract some unfriendly attention from the Middle East. It would just make the USA's world wide relationship worse.

Trust me, that law is a bad idea.

[spinzilla]

You're an idiot for thinking SOPA is a good idea and you're going to regret voting for it.

I was told every supporting voter would get the Noble Peace prize.

Because it will bring peace to the wild internet. It's the right choice.

[Hellspawn28]

Spinzilla is obvious being sarcastic. Who really wants this to pass that is not part of some big company? This bill will destroy everything on the web such as forums, fan art sites, and people who make videos for fun. There is a lot of very talented and those bills will destroy all of those things that people make for fun. Which means no more movie and game reviews from very popular people such as JeremyJahns, The Movie Preview Critic, AVGN, RiffTrax and many other people on the web.

[spinzilla]

I'm not joking.

Who really wants this to pass that is not part of some big company? This bill will destroy everything on the web such as forums, fan art sites, and people who make videos for fun.

All of which are water holes for degenerates. Good riddance.

Which means no more movie and game reviews from very popular people such as JeremyJahns, The Movie Preview Critic, AVGN, RiffTrax and many other people on the web.

AVGN gets taken off?

I'M VOTING TWICE.

[GodzillavsJason]

I'm not joking.

Who really wants this to pass that is not part of some big company? This bill will destroy everything on the web such as forums, fan art sites, and people who make videos for fun.

All of which are water holes for degenerates. Good riddance.

Which means no more movie and game reviews from very popular people such as JeremyJahns, The Movie Preview Critic, AVGN, RiffTrax and many other people on the web.

AVGN gets taken off?

I'M VOTING TWICE.

I think you're going to make enemies with a lot of people. Also why woulda say people who like to make fan art and make fun short original movies are degenerates? They're just trying to have fun with their projects and people have jobs on the Internet that could get affected if these two bills pass.

[Hellspawn28]

People act like pirate movies hurt movies at the box office when they don't. Look at these major movies made in the recent years at the box office for example.

The Dark Knight (2008)
Worldwide: $1,001,921,825

2012 (2009)
Worldwide: 769,304,749

Alice in Wonderland (2010)
Worldwide: 1,024,299,904

Toy Story 3 (2010)
Worldwide: $1,063,171,911

Transformers Dark of the Moon (2011)
Worldwide: $1,123,746,996

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 (2011)
Worldwide: 1,328,111,219

Paranormal Activity 3 (2011)
Worldwide: 203,148,425

Stoping people from downloading movies is not going to stop anything when major films do just fine at the box office.

[Legionmaster]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, stop the presses. Wanna know how you make yourself look like a fool? This:

If this law is passed, the US will slide further right, giving the government more control. This SOPA and PIPA act are exactly how we lose not only our freedoms, but our liberal values as well.

Protip: Sliding right would be less government control. More government control is sliding left. The "liberal values" you're citing (freedom from government intervention) are, in fact, conservative values. You've just delegitimized your stances on anything dealing with American politics, as you've clearly established that you have no idea what you're talking about. This is why the Framers believed only educated, landowning males should vote and influence politics; the Joe Shmoe has no business participating in important decisions that he doesn't understand.

I'll read the rest of this thread later and edit if something else asinine pops up.

EDIT: And yes, yes stuff did. And I'm just going to deal with the items on this page that have been posted in response to spin's obvious trolling (that you should be ashamed of yourselves for falling for).

Do you have any idea what would happen if SOPA and PIPA passed?

Yes, yes I do.

Many web sites will be gone.

Correct, just not the ones you're thinking of.

YouTube, EBay, Wikipedia all those sites will be taking down if those two bills pass.

Congrats, you've bought into the media hype of paranoia. Both bills specify that criminal charges are brought against websites dedicated to promoting products that infringe upon copyright law. Neither Youtube, nor eBay, nor Wikipedia are dedicated to fraud. I'm not even sure why you listed Wikipedia in the first place. The only way SOPA or PIPA really affects Wikipedia is if hyperlinks to such criminal websites appear, in which case Wikipedia would just be served a court order to remove such hyperlinks. The only way Wikipedia would get shut down is if they refuse the court order, in which case they would be protecting and abetting the criminal website. And even then, that doesn't stop Wikipedia from existing. What SOPA and PIPA outline isn't a censorship command, it's an outline for the pressing of criminal charges. Cases would still go to court and be tried.

eBay already, on its own, takes fantastic steps at preventing the trade of fraudulent and pirated goods. It's in their best interests not to facilitate criminal activity. And, again, as a domestic site not dedicated to fraud, there's not much of a case at all for eliminating eBay. It would be an instance of eBay having to cooperate with the government to assist in the locating and charging of criminal individuals. And, again, the only way eBay would get into any legal water is if they ignored court orders (which, again, isn't something they would do).

Youtube is the grayist area, although it's extrmely unlikely that the entire site would be shut down. In the most practical terms, most copyright infringement that occurs on Youtube would go unregulated...as it does now. At worst, Youtube takes a day of the Internet to purge its servers of copyright infringing videos. In addition, the mere presence of a video that infringed upon the copyright of a work is not sufficient evidence to press criminal charges; this fact is stated in SOPA. There isn't much legal ground for pressing criminal charges against a user, group of users, or host(s) in that situation. Again, however, refusal to comply with any court orders is met with greater penalty (as with any other legal situation one may find oneself in).

For the most part, the Internet as we know it would largely remain the same. SOPA and PIPA aren't aimed at taking down large corporate websites, and neither bill really has the legal footing to do so. To cry that either bill would destroy web culture is an outrageous and manufactured response based on a misunderstanding of legislation. Common sense here, people. Just because laws exist with given powers does not mean a domineering use of those powers is inevitible. Keep in mind that there are plenty of circumstances that allow the State or Federal government to seize your property, and there's nothing you can do about it. But, lo and behold, that doesn't really affect much of our every day lives, does it?

Besides pirating will be around for a long time just about everyone does it.

Your manufactured claim that "everyone does it" has no practical ground, and thus must be ignored. Prove it.

You're an idiot for thinking SOPA is a good idea and you're going to regret voting for it.

Citizens don't personally vote on Federal legislation. :/

No, I don't pirate movies. The worst I ever did was find The Return of Godzilla and Megalon online, and even then I couldn't download even if I wanted to download.

Legally, by viewing them, you still broke the law.

I'm just concerned about MY freedoms. Cause if YOUR government passes that law, your going to have one pissed off Kanuk on TK, cause guess what, It affects my country too, as well as all others. Why does one country get to decide for the entire world, hmm? It's unacceptable for any country.

There's nothing in SOPA or PIPA that has anything to do with affecting other states. The bills facilitate agains the pressing of charges against individuals and persons. As copyright law functions on an international platform, what's covered in these bills is arguably within the jurisdiction of the US Federal government. Copyright law is the haziest law out of all law, but that's the situation with or without SOPA or PIPA. Regardless of your Canadian residency, if you ran a site that sold bootlegs of American films, you would still be perpetrating criminal activity. If you were bootlegging Indian films, you would be in violation of Indian law. All SOPA and PIPA do is grant the US Federal government the power to assist in enforcing national and international law that already exists. Laws, by the way, that serve the protection of the commercial interests of US businesses (as well as international businesses via international copyright laws). There's little argument that either bill would infringe upon your personal freedoms, and the only situation you could really claim them is that if you hosted a website like TK and used it to market your bootleg DVDs. In that circumstance, you broke the law anyway, so tough titty.

And because of that "peace", I wonder if passing that law could possibly attract some unfriendly attention from the Middle East. It would just make the USA's world wide relationship worse.

>>implying Islamic extremists don't hate the United States anyway and that our relations with Iran aren't already shitty

This bill will destroy everything on the web such as forums, fan art sites, and people who make videos for fun. There is a lot of very talented and those bills will destroy all of those things that people make for fun. Which means no more movie and game reviews from very popular people such as JeremyJahns, The Movie Preview Critic, AVGN, RiffTrax and many other people on the web.

I already covered this above, but would also like to take time to remind everyone about fair use clauses in copyright law. Things like the AVGN, comedy reviewers, etc. tend to be covered by fair use, as they do not act with malicious intent or opperate with intent of profitting from fraudulent activity. This is also something most people tend to forget, and is the biggest opposition to the abuse of enforcement of copyright law.

People act like pirate movies hurt movies at the box office when they don't. Look at these major movies made in the recent years at the box office for example.

The Dark Knight (2008)
Worldwide: $1,001,921,825

2012 (2009)
Worldwide: 769,304,749

Alice in Wonderland (2010)
Worldwide: 1,024,299,904

Toy Story 3 (2010)
Worldwide: $1,063,171,911

Transformers Dark of the Moon (2011)
Worldwide: $1,123,746,996

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 (2011)
Worldwide: 1,328,111,219

Paranormal Activity 3 (2011)
Worldwide: 203,148,425

Stoping people from downloading movies is not going to stop anything when major films do just fine at the box office.

Ah, the silliest argument of them all. Yes, The Dark Knight did make a billion dollars globally. But here's the thing: Legendary Pictures is more than The Dark Knight. They've co-produced 22 features, with five currently in production and sixteen in development. Most of those films lose money for them. And it's not a simple expenses chart where the movies make their budgets back or not. Legendary Pictures has far more expenses than the budgets of their films.

The basic business model of the modern Hollywood production company is that they will lose money on most of their projects, but have one very profitable release to make up for the loses of a few. It's a far riskier model than that of the classical studio system, and films like Mars Needs Moms and Jonah Hex (also a Legendary Pictures release, which lost ~$37 million on its budget, which kicks The Dark Knight under the one billion mark when aggregated) can crush a company if they're not prepared. Even a tycoon like Disney doesn't enjoy losing the near $200 million that Mars Needs Moms lost them. In addition, it's not a very nice time for the industry as a whole. Theater revenue is dropping, putting financial strain on the whole system. Piracy only takes money out of the system. It's not absurd in any sense that corporations wan't to protect their assets and property as much as possible, especially in unstable financial times.

A separate issue is the illegal distribution of intellectual property of the studios (ie. the film). In simplest terms, when someone records a theatrical screening of a film and puts it online for others to view, it undermines the control of the property that the studios and distributors legally own. It's the same nonmonetary situation is when the high school bully copies your book report and hands it in before you, robbing you of your right to control the movement and use of your own intellectual property. This is the area of copyright law that would most affect sites like Youtube, as illegal distribution, even if not done for a profit, still infringes upon the rights and freedoms of a corporation (as it functions as a person). And even then, it's still theoretically robbing the company of potential profit, as the owner of the property should be making money on that property's distribution.

[Chris55]

The basic business model of the modern Hollywood production company is that they will lose money on most of their projects, but have one very profitable release to make up for the loses of a few. It's a far riskier model than that of the classical studio system, and films like Mars Needs Moms and Jonah Hex (also a Legendary Pictures release, which lost ~$37 million on its budget, which kicks The Dark Knight under the one billion mark when aggregated) can crush a company if they're not prepared. Even a tycoon like Disney doesn't enjoy losing the near $200 million that Mars Needs Moms lost them. In addition, it's not a very nice time for the industry as a whole. Theater revenue is dropping, putting financial strain on the whole system. Piracy only takes money out of the system. It's not absurd in any sense that corporations wan't to protect their assets and property as much as possible, especially in unstable financial times.

Theater revenue is dropping due to high ticket prices and overall crappy movies. Mars Needs Moms and Jonah Hex were just bad movies.

Make ticket prices lower, produce movies that aren't remakes of board games/old tv shows, only bring out 3D on special occasions (their intake is dropping and getting on people's nerves now), lower concession stand costs and then people will come back to the theaters.

It's what Jesus would do.

[wataru]

I dont understand how Hop made money and Mars Needs Moms lost over 60%. Ive seen both, Hop is WORLDS worse (but I will still own it on Blu-Ray).

It's not the movie that's hurting theatres, it's the theatres hurting themselves. Do you know how many family film comments Ive seen on Demonoid saying "My kids have been begging to see this." Kids. That means at LEAST 3 people (mom or dad and 2 kids). That's like at least $30 at most theatres, not counting food. In today's hard times, $30 to see a movie, when it's only $22 when it comes out on BRD is stupid.

[zilla103192]

I dont understand how Hop made money and Mars Needs Moms lost over 60%. Ive seen both, Hop is WORLDS worse (but I will still own it on Blu-Ray).

It's not the movie that's hurting theatres, it's the theatres hurting themselves. Do you know how many family film comments Ive seen on Demonoid saying "My kids have been begging to see this." Kids. That means at LEAST 3 people (mom or dad and 2 kids). That's like at least $30 at most theatres, not counting food. In today's hard times, $30 to see a movie, when it's only $22 when it comes out on BRD is stupid.

My local theater is $3 to get in. Thank god. But it takes forever for them to get movies. Like literally 3 weeks before home release.

[wataru]

I have a local theatre, that monday - friday matinees are only $4.50 for brand new movies. So I goto that one. But a hotdog - A HOTDOG - is $4.75. ..LOLWUT?!

I saw X-Men First Class at another theatre - 2 tickets $21 and it had the worse sound, dirty, horrible seating, crowed.

[Hellspawn28]

I have been working at a AMC theatre for almost 2 years and we still get a good amount of people going to the movies during the weekend. Chris is right, Jonah Hex and Mars Needs Moms bomb because they where bad films and no one really care to see them (I never seen anyone who was hype up for neither film), not because people download them legelly. Movies still make a lot of money even people downloading as I mention before. People rather go see them on a big screen then watch them on a PC. For example Mission Impossible 4 has a budget of 145 million and already has gross over 500 million worldwide, it's still doing strong at the box office.

But here's the thing: Legendary Pictures is more than The Dark Knight. They've co-produced 22 features, with five currently in production and sixteen in development. Most of those films lose money for them. And it's not a simple expenses chart where the movies make their budgets back or not..

Are you saying that Legendary Pictures only produced failures outside of Batman? The last time I check, Hangover 2
became the highest-grossing R-rated comedy of all time and made over 170 million on it's first week. Both the Clash of the Titans remake and 10,000 BC also did well at the box office from what I can recall.

[gvamp]

I dont understand how Hop made money and Mars Needs Moms lost over 60%. Ive seen both, Hop is WORLDS worse (but I will still own it on Blu-Ray).

It's not the movie that's hurting theatres, it's the theatres hurting themselves. Do you know how many family film comments Ive seen on Demonoid saying "My kids have been begging to see this." Kids. That means at LEAST 3 people (mom or dad and 2 kids). That's like at least $30 at most theatres, not counting food. In today's hard times, $30 to see a movie, when it's only $22 when it comes out on BRD is stupid.

My local theater is $3 to get in. Thank god. But it takes forever for them to get movies. Like literally 3 weeks before home release.

Those are called second run theathers.

They get movies awhile after they've hit mainstream theaters hence why the ticket prices are low. We used to have one it might be still open but I'm not sure.

BTW both SOPA and PIPA are dead for now.

[Hellspawn28]

SOPA and PIPA both shelved for now.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... helved.ars

[Berzerkgodzilla]

Good, I'm happy they are.

[Kaiju-King42]

SOPA and PIPA both shelved for now.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news ... helved.ars

HELL YEAH!


That, sir, made my day.

[TheSecondComing]

I dont understand how Hop made money ... (but I will still own it on Blu-Ray).

Therein lies the rub.