Godzilla Vs. Biollante

[GreenScar]

Godzilla (FW): http://tohokingdom.com/kaiju/godzilla_mill5.htm

Vs.

Biollante: http://tohokingdom.com/kaiju/biollante.htm#f

Arena: Where Heisei Goji fought her final form
Rules: Scaled, Bio is in final form

Note: Okay, I know everyone is kinda getting sick of FW Goji, but this came up in another topic and I felt it needed to be settled (or as settled as things can get in these FM's). On to the fight.....

This is actually a pretty good match up. Both monsters are powerful and have crazy regen. Now I foresee Goji have a somewhat difficult time handling Bio's vines, but Bio is not going to be able to handle Goji's crazy strong beam for long even with regen, the weakest version of Heisei's beam gave her trouble. Bio's best option is to get close a just kaiju-handle Goji into submission with her vines and acid sap. I don't think even FW Goji could toss Bio around up close.

Godzilla: 7/10
Biollante: 3/10

[Kaiju-King42]

This topic was my fault, lol.

Very even match. FW Goji is bigger and faster than Heisei V1, so he has an advantage here. However, I think his beam would have the same effect as Heisei Gojis. Aside from a a very long range, and better special effects, the beam is about the same in power, sacrificing heat and explosive force for a kinetic "push" effect. However, on the downside, he won't have a nuclear pulse to protect him from those nasty vines.

50/50

[miguelnuva]

Godzilla takes this. Bio tied with a weakened Godzilla a healthy one who has a push beam is going to destroy her.

[PopInPicsPresents]

FW never showed any regenerative abilities on par with Heisei so the acid and vines are going to hurt, that's if they even hit. And FW likes to get close..not the smartest thing when dealing with Biollante.

Biollante 6/10
FW Godzilla 4/10

[Bentley]

Biollante is going to trash him actually, thanks to being scaled. I mean, he's going to win some thanks to his beam, but in this case his speed and fighting style aren't going to be worth being trade for Heisei's superior regen. Biollante will pierce FW Goji and it will take a toll in the long run.

Biollante 8/10.

[RedZillaKing]

Heisei Godzilla does not have superior regen. At all. FW Goji is just tougher to punch holes in. When his hide is marked it's gone instantly. There's no eviderce for such silly generalizations.

I'm wondering if the plant can even pierce his hide. A man made drill pierced HGV1 so it's not surprising that Bio did as well. The closest FW Goji came to having his hide penetrated was when MX blasted a few scales off. And if you watch, MX's beam failed to cause Goji injury or pain the second time it hits him.

[Bentley]

Heisei Godzilla does not have superior regen. At all. FW Goji is just tougher to punch holes in. When his hide is marked it's gone instantly. There's no eviderce for such silly generalizations.

Except you don't have feats to prove his regeneration is better, in which case we just don't assume it is. That would be absurd.

I'm wondering if the plant can even pierce his hide. A man made drill pierced HGV1 so it's not surprising that Bio did as well. The closest FW Goji came to having his hide penetrated was when MX blasted a few scales off. And if you watch, MX's beam failed to cause Goji injury or pain the second time it hits him.

As far as I remember there wasn't any real piercing feat against FW Goji other than a brief slash from Gigan, which was only a superficial attack anyways. It's impossible to gauge Gigan's saw against Biollante's tentacles though.

[RedZillaKing]

Except you don't have feats to prove his regeneration is better, in which case we just don't assume it is. That would be absurd.

I never said it was "better". Why would I without evidence? That's your game, bud.

As far as I remember there wasn't any real piercing feat against FW Goji other than a brief slash from Gigan, which was only a superficial attack anyways. It's impossible to gauge Gigan's saw against Biollante's tentacles though.

I agree... I'm just referring to the fact that that everyone and their mother could pierce or blast through HGV1 and 2's hide...

[Bentley]

But there are better Heisei regeneration feats than in Final Wars, in the absence of FW we just don't assume the regeneration is as good nor better, why should we? As long as Biollante can pierce through FW Goji -I don't see why it would not either-, there is no reason to think he would last as long as Heisei G.

[RedZillaKing]

There's no reason not to either. Show me an instance where FW Goji had inferior regen.

[Kaiju-King42]

Um... The scene where he was blasted by MX and lost scales, for instance?
And the man made drill pierced the back of Goji's mouth. Most kaiju don't have armor there. The reason why SG's corona beam and other weapons look like they're blasting chunks out of Godzilla anyway is because the explosives they would place against the suit to simulate beam damage would, understandably, knock some bits of rubber off of the suit. It's a special effects goof, nothing more. Unless Rodan and Megaguirus have long wires attached to their bodies to aid in flight, and Baragon eats giant plastic horses.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

Its unfair to give FW Goji the benefit of the doubt and assume he's as rgenerative as one of the best at that particular game when there's zero proof for that matter. Its like GMK Ghidorah's beams- when in doubt, assume the worst, as its unfair to all the other Gojis to say he's as good as Heisei Goji regen wise.

[Bentley]

There's no reason not to either. Show me an instance where FW Goji had inferior regen.

Show me an instance of movie Swamp Thing not being able to regenerate from a single cell world-wide as comic Swamp Thing does? See what I did?

You're asking me to prove a negative, it is you who should be bringing proof that FW Goji has a regen which is as good as Heisei's.

[GreenScar]

There's no reason not to either. Show me an instance where FW Goji had inferior regen.

Show me an instance of movie Swamp Thing not being able to regenerate from a single cell world-wide as comic Swamp Thing does? See what I did?

You're asking me to prove a negative, it is you who should be bringing proof that FW Goji has a regen which is as good as Heisei's.

No! RZK never said he had regen as good as Heisei, He's just pointing out the fact that you can't prove that it's not as good as Heisei. There isn't enough to show one or the other, yea FW Goji took some minor damage and didn't have a scratch to show for it, so that shows he has some regen. Which if you ask me is pretty much the same as everything that Heisei Goji V.1 has to bring to the table, he took some damage and didn't have a mark to show for it. So while we can't prove which Goji's regen is better, there is no way to conclusively say that one is worse than the other.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

No, when in doubt, its ridiculous to put him on level with the best. Its like saying GMK Ghodorah's gravity bolts are as powerful as Mana Blasts, which you can;t disprove. Its totally unfair to Heisei Goji, who has exceptional regen, to toss in someone who we don;t even if his regen is impressive or not and say he's as good as him. So we have toa ssume that his regen is subpar. Which means, if they get past that iron hide of his, those vines are gonna put him in a world of hurt.

[GreenScar]

No, when in doubt, its ridiculous to put him on level with the best. Its like saying GMK Ghodorah's gravity bolts are as powerful as Mana Blasts, which you can;t disprove. Its totally unfair to Heisei Goji, who has exceptional regen, to toss in someone who we don;t even if his regen is impressive or not and say he's as good as him. So we have toa ssume that his regen is subpar. Which means, if they get past that iron hide of his, those vines are gonna put him in a world of hurt.

I agree with you to a point. Yes Heisei's Regen has proven itself time and again, but it's simply a comparison between FW Goji and Bio Goji. Cause after Bio, he's not even the same Goji as he was exposed to modern radiation making him bigger and more powerful. But I will submit to the fact that since we can't prove FW's regen is as good, we must assume it's subpar. But my original tallt of this match's victories remains the same.

Note: We are comparing two different Godzilla. So why make the comparison between Ghidorah and Gamera? Those are two vastly different monsters. Now if you had compared GMK Ghid's bolts to KaizerG's bolts then yes we see a difference between two related monsters. But comparing any Ghidorah's gravity bolts to Gamera's Mana Beam, apples and oranges there buddy.

[RedZillaKing]

That's all well and good Primeval, but here's the thing... Unless a Godzilla has something to contradict super regen (which is what Toho claims that most of the Gojis have) what reason is there to assume Heisei Godzilla's is better than any of them? Sure there ARE examples: GMK Goji received a permanent wound, and Kiryu Goji never fully heal from subzerom. But there are examples of Gojis across the series having awesome regen as well. Hedo Goji's hand was partially dissolved, yet it was fine later, Finaro Goji's skin damage was gone in an instant, MGG Goji pulled the stinger out and his wound was ALREADY healed. I think it's unfair to those Godzillas to claim blindly that Fatzilla's regen is better.

[wataru]

This is like a high school skinny geek with a bazooka vs a Humvee with a squirt gun canon.

GFW T&C would get shredded by Biollante but the problem is, GFW is a massive beam spammer. Even if GFW's biology doesnt react with Biollantes, the sheer force and constant bombardment is going to cause Biollante to retreat.

I dont forsee a kill, or KO but a retreat.

GFW wins just because he's a massive beam-spammer.

[Bentley]

That's all well and good Primeval, but here's the thing... Unless a Godzilla has something to contradict super regen (which is what Toho claims that most of the Gojis have) what reason is there to assume Heisei Godzilla's is better than any of them? Sure there ARE examples: GMK Goji received a permanent wound, and Kiryu Goji never fully heal from subzerom. But there are examples of Gojis across the series having awesome regen as well. Hedo Goji's hand was partially dissolved, yet it was fine later, Finaro Goji's skin damage was gone in an instant, MGG Goji pulled the stinger out and his wound was ALREADY healed. I think it's unfair to those Godzillas to claim blindly that Fatzilla's regen is better.

I'm not sure of how debating works here because I'm not an old timer, but assuming the regen is subpar in this situation is a convention between the debaters because we discuss about the things that happened in the films, not those who weren't shown or mentioned. On those grounds, we should always assume as little as possible and always agree in the rule of proof, if only to make this debates less radical about personal opinions. The best neutral way to discuss is to debate like that. This doesn't have anything to do with what you personally believe about the characters, but makes it so the debate is honest and true to its point.

In this case, Heisei has the advantage of actual proof, and thus should always be considered at advantage compared with those who had no proof, or that have proof against having a good regen.

[RedZillaKing]

Here's your proof. Goji has thin pieces of skin blasted off. The next time we see him he's completely unblemished.