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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Dave McDave » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:53 am

Blackout286 wrote:Also would Legion count as being deadly?


Are we counting non-Toho kaiju in this? If so then maybe Heisei Gamera's worth a mention; hell, he seems to be of a similar vain to Mothra in terms of their allegences, so I don't see why he can't have honorary status here...
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Alienvspredatorules » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:55 am

Here are my top 10
10 Super mechagodzilla
9 Godzilla [Versions excpt burning]
8 Spacegodzilla
7 Gigan
6 Mechagodzilla 1
5 Showa Hedorah
4 King Ghidorah [All versions incluidng rotm versions]
3 Armor mortha
2 Destoyah
1 Burning godzilla
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Goji » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:24 am

Are we talking deadliest to humanity, or to other monsters?

Because we all know damn well Mothra Leo isn't going to be using Transcending Fate against, say, the U.N. Mechagodzilla. He's deadly to others monsters, but he's also an Earth Protector, meaning humanity has nothing to fear.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Tomzilla » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:53 am

If we're counting some of the Gamera Trilogy kaiju, I'd say Iris is the deadliest. Unlike his Gyaos kin, Iris possessed the power to bond with a human host, and change his genetic structure. He would've become a higher being had Gamera not intervened. There's something very menacing about a kaiju that feeds off of others by siphoning their life force, growing stronger in the process. Iris demonstrated great strength by treating Gamera like a child. Those Sonic Cutters of his are nothing to scoff at. And given how ridiculously long his tentacles are, Iris has a huge reach.

His biggest problem? Iris is a moron. I swear, Iris could've been the most dangerous kaiju had he acted a little smarter.

Instead he's the Psyduck of the kaiju world.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Dave McDave » Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:13 am

Imagine if Irys had syphoned the life force out of a load of those Gyaos instead of just a few measely people? Now if that had happened Irys would totally be near the top, but as it stands I believe the level we saw it at probably could be bestest by many other kaiju, especially Toho Heisei era kaiju!!
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Gyaos » Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:53 am

Top 5:

5. Burning Godzilla
4. Destroyah
3 Super Mechagodzilla
2. Spacegodzilla
1. Armor Mothra
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Irys X » Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:34 pm

Gotta go with Burning Godzilla seeing as he could nuke the entire planet, maybe more, if heated up too much. Close behind him are Destoroyah, who needs no explaining; Hedorah, who could turn the entire planet into one big sewage plant; Monster X, who is fast, smart, and durable enough to survive a beam that can halt and destroy an asteroid, and along with him GFW Godzilla, who is MX's equa; and Orga, who could take other monster's powers and become the most powerful mish mash of monsters ever known. Honorable mention is Spacegodzilla. He'd be so much more deadly if he wasn't such an arrogant twit.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Goji » Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:28 am

Deadliest to other daikaiju:

1) Armor Mothra
2) Burning Godzilla
3) U.N. Mechagodzilla
4) Destoroyah
5) SpaceGodzilla
(^ The last two are probably interchangeable)

Deadliest to humanity:

1) Burning Godzilla
2) Hedorah
3) King Ghidorah(Showa)/Grand King Ghidorah *tie*
4) SpaceGodzilla
5) MechaGodzilla 2 (Black Hole Aliens)
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:21 pm

In no paricular order:

Destoroyah- Remember, this guy can keep growing like Hedorah. There is a very good chance that the Final Form was not the Final Form that he could transform into, only the Final Form that was in the movie. Or he could break apart to form an army of Final Forms. And like Hedorah, the bigger he his, the stronger he seems to become.

Hedorah- Same reasons as Desoroyah

Dogora- Same reasons as Hedorah and Destoroyah

Gyaos- Okay, seriously, what kaiju, aside from the above mentioned, could take on a million Gyaos?

Burning Godzilla- Simple enough. He can destroy the entire planet!
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:10 pm

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Destoroyah- Remember, this guy can keep growing like Hedorah. There is a very good chance that the Final Form was not the Final Form that he could transform into, only the Final Form that was in the movie.

I always thought so too. That's really what makes him so dangerous... His potential.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Destroyer » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:51 pm

Hedorah was powerful.....in the Showa days. He can't compete with Final Wars Godzilla. With that said, I gotta give it to Destoroyah, Godzilla never did beat him, it was the extreme ice rays that took him down. So I go with Destoroyah.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:58 pm

Destroyer wrote:Hedorah was powerful.....in the Showa days. He can't compete with Final Wars Godzilla.


The FW Hedorah was a weakling. Showa Hedorah was immune to atomic rays. :roll:
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Destroyer » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:52 pm

The FW Hedorah was a weakling. Showa Hedorah was immune to atomic rays. :roll:


True that, but I don't see him competing with Destoroyah for toughest kaiju.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby edgaguirus » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:48 pm

FW Hedorah was cannon fodder and nothing more. Showa Hedorah is a walking disaester that could take down the majority of Earth kaiju.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Goji » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:52 pm

Destroyer wrote: True that, but I don't see him competing with Destoroyah for toughest kaiju.


Unless Hedorah is randomly weak to micro oxygen, Destoroyah wouldn't be able to do jack shit to a full grown Hedorah.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby NSZ » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:01 pm

Goji wrote:
Destroyer wrote: True that, but I don't see him competing with Destoroyah for toughest kaiju.


Unless Hedorah is randomly weak to micro oxygen, Destoroyah wouldn't be able to do jack shit to a full grown Hedorah.


Agreed. It would indeed be an interesting fight though.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Destroyer » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:07 pm

Unless Hedorah is randomly weak to micro oxygen, Destoroyah wouldn't be able to do jack shit to a full grown Hedorah.


I need to watch Godzilla vs. Hedorah again so I could see Hedorah in action. From what I remember, he's definitely one of, if not the strongest Showa character. Here's how I see it.

Showa belongs to Hedorah, with Ghidorah as a runner-up.

Heisei belongs to Destoroyah, with SpaceGodzilla as a runner-up. (Or MG II.)

Millennium belongs to Keizer Ghidorah, with Godzilla FW as a runner-up.

So it's Kaizer, Destoroyah, and Hedorah. This is when it gets tricky. I think Destoroyah would cancel out Keiser, while Keizer would get Hedorah. Hedorah never seemed that smart when compared to the other two, or as vicious. I find it funny that in the German release of Godzilla vs. Hedorah, it was said he may have been created by Dr. Frakenstein.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:12 pm

Destroyer wrote:
Unless Hedorah is randomly weak to micro oxygen, Destoroyah wouldn't be able to do jack shit to a full grown Hedorah.


I need to watch Godzilla vs. Hedorah again so I could see Hedorah in action. From what I remember, he's definitely one of, if not the strongest Showa character. Here's how I see it.

Showa belongs to Hedorah, with Ghidorah as a runner-up.

Heisei belongs to Destoroyah, with SpaceGodzilla as a runner-up. (Or MG II.)

Millennium belongs to Keizer Ghidorah, with Godzilla FW as a runner-up.

So it's Kaizer, Destoroyah, and Hedorah. This is when it gets tricky. I think Destoroyah would cancel out Keiser, while Keizer would get Hedorah. Hedorah never seemed that smart when compared to the other two, or as vicious. I find it funny that in the German release of Godzilla vs. Hedorah, it was said he may have been created by Dr. Frakenstein.


Yeah, Keizer Ghidorah is pretty much the anti-Hedorah. Unless he was a complete retard and bit Hedorah. I don't see that one ending well. As for Destoroyah vs Keizer Ghidorah... just read my posts in the fantasy match of the same name. Destoroyah 10/10.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby Goji » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:45 am

Destroyer wrote:
So it's Kaizer, Destoroyah, and Hedorah. This is when it gets tricky. I think Destoroyah would cancel out Keiser, while Keizer would get Hedorah. Hedorah never seemed that smart when compared to the other two, or as vicious. I find it funny that in the German release of Godzilla vs. Hedorah, it was said he may have been created by Dr. Frakenstein.


Lol. Pretty much all of the German versions of Toho monster films have some kind of connection with Frankenstein, and is usually mentioned in the title along with the dialogue.


Again, I don't see what Keiser Ghidorah would do to Hedorah. He doesn't have the tools to take him down, and that's what it always comes down to in these (insert monster) vs. Hedorah match ups.

I don't think your claim of Hedorah being "not as smart" or "vicious" really holds any water. Your talking about three different monsters from three different eras of Godzilla, from three different films helmed by three different directors.

He was smart enough to flee from Godzilla when his life was seriously in danger, and even attempted to drown Godzilla at one point. He also destroyed all the JSDF helicopters that dropped oxygen bombs in his vicinity. I'd say he's at least fairly intelligent, if not more so.

Hedorah kills most living things by simply flying over them while releasing sulfuric acid. He doesn't need to be "vicious" when he literally kills things will little to no effort.
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Re: Deadliset Monster of the entire Toho Kaijui Franchise

Postby RedZillaKing » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:56 am

Goji wrote:Again, I don't see what Keiser Ghidorah would do to Hedorah. He doesn't have the tools to take him down, and that's what it always comes down to in these (insert monster) vs. Hedorah match ups.

Are you kidding? His telekinetic beams act like a loophole in this fight. Hedorah is splattered or dried out in no time.
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