Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby GojiFan » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:40 pm

Darkness wrote:I honestly wasn't that impressed with the Star Destroyers. Since the Super Star Destroyer is so much larger than SpaceGodzilla, I could see him creating a mass of crystals within the ship, destroying it from the inside out. Seems like something he'd do, as it would not only massively damage the ship, but they would also provide him with more energy.


Except he will be dead almost instantly when thousands of blasts from the turbolasers collide into him. SG never showed the ability to hold his shield up for more than a few brief seconds, which is the only amount of time he might survive.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby RedZillaKing » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:03 pm

Lol, what? What makes you think that the turbolasers will instantly destroy him? This is one of the most powerful kaiju ever. Way to overestimate tech.

As far as how the ion cannons work vs the emp, the pulse itself does not have to be fired at a specific target and it does not need to destroy armor to work on the electrical systems of the SSD. And spacegodzilla will likely damage the hull just by landing on, as massive as he is. God help them if they target his crystals. They will literally be adding fuel to the fire.

The gravity tornadoes too could be a menace, being potentially able to tear sections of the hull free. I'd bet that the lasers in the immediate vicinity will have their electrical systems fried. And whether the rebel fighter destroyed the Executor or not, it rendered it completely unoperational.

And the crystal growing option is on e that SG will likely use, too. Good point.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Gyaos » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:16 pm

Way to completely overestimate a kaiju.

Secondly I highly doubt Spacegodzilla is absorbing ALL the energy from a blast of that magnitude. He may be able to absorb beams and stuff from the toho universe just fine, but keep in mind that those where nowhere NEAR the power of a Turbolaser. Im also certain that Spacegodzilla has limits to what he can absorb before he overloads like in the film. There is absolutly no way in heaven, earth, or hell hes absorbing a bombardment of that magnitude. Unless you're implying that Spacegodzilla is so high and mighty that he can absorb thousands of city crushing blasts.

Also Spacegodzilla had trouble lifting Godzilla with his gravity tornado. I'ld love to see him try that something several kilometers long.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby GojiFan » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:25 pm

RedZillaKing wrote:Lol, what? What makes you think that the turbolasers will instantly destroy him? This is one of the most powerful kaiju ever. Way to overestimate tech.
Way to overestimate kiaju. SG is one tough bastard... for a kaiju. He is up against an opponent who has more firepower in one of it's thousands of guns than SG has all together. SG will be absolutely murdered if even one heavy turbo laser shot hits him. Take it from a resident Star Wars fan; a few heavy turbo lasers are on a completely different level of power than SG is. You want a comparison of the difference? Here is a quote about a regular Star Destroyer from one of the cannon comics:

"Have you ever seen what a Star Destroyer can do to the surface of an unshielded planet? Stones run like water and sand turns to glass."

Edit: Some more- "Yes, I know I should be directing the battle from the ship. Yes, I know we could reduce the surface of Dinlo to molten slag from orbit."

"As a public-relations stunt, Shild was authorized to blockade Nal Hutta and turn the smuggler's moon into molten slag."

Here is a little quote about Y-wings. Tiny little bombers that harness not even a .001% of the firepower of a SSD:
"Grand Isle would be no match for two squadrons of Y-wings. In addition to two laser cannons, the Y-wings sported twin ion cannons and two proton torpedo launchers. Each ship carried eight torpedoes, which meant either of the squadrons packed enough firepower to turn the lush, verdant landscape of Grand Isle into a black, smoking mass of liquid rock."

As far as how the ion cannons work vs the emp, the pulse itself does not have to be fired at a specific target and it does not need to destroy armor to work on the electrical systems of the SSD. And spacegodzilla will likely damage the hull just by landing on, as massive as he is. God help them if they target his crystals. They will literally be adding fuel to the fire.
Yes SG is massive in Toho terms. He is A LOT smaller compared to a lot of SW creatures that regular Star Destroyers have no problem killing. And he is going to damage the hull by landing on it? Good for him, he will damage an extremely small portion of the ship and become an easy target from all directions. Landing on the hull would be suicide since he wouldn't even have the hope of his shield deflecting the laser shots since they will come from all directions.

The gravity tornadoes too could be a menace, being potentially able to tear sections of the hull free. I'd bet that the lasers in the immediate vicinity will have their electrical systems fried. And whether the rebel fighter destroyed the Executor or not, it rendered it completely unoperational.
So the gravity tornado.. is going to cause tons of damage to the giant 19,000 meter long space ship? Right. And the A-wing got away with it because the force field generator was destroyed and it was so fast and nimble that the laser batteries couldn't hit it. SG doesn't have an armada with him to destroy the generator, nor is he as nimble as an A-wing.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Darkness » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:25 pm

I seriously don't even recall the blasts from a SSD to be that powerful. They destroy smaller ships from what I recall. That's. About. It. Keep in mind, I'm only going off of what I've seen in the SW movies. How good is their aim for the most part? SpaceGodzilla is much smaller than the SSD and can fly. If a small ship can fly through a SSD and do damage, I don't see what's stopping him from plowing right through it himself.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:27 pm

Damn, this would make a great fan fic short.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Gyaos » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:30 pm

Darkness wrote:I seriously don't even recall the blasts from a SSD to be that powerful. They destroy smaller ships from what I recall. That's. About. It. Keep in mind, I'm only going off of what I've seen in the SW movies. How good is their aim for the most part? SpaceGodzilla is much smaller than the SSD and can fly. If a small ship can fly through a SSD and do damage, I don't see what's stopping him from plowing right through it himself.

The SSDs have far more feats in comics and novels than they do in-film. Normal Star Destroyers had little to no trouble hitting the Star Fighters. SG, being much larger than the latter ships, would be a pretty easy target to hit. As Gojifan said, the only reason it was able to accomplish this feat was because the shield generator was down.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby GojiFan » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:33 pm

Darkness wrote:I seriously don't even recall the blasts from a SSD to be that powerful. They destroy smaller ships from what I recall. That's. About. It. Keep in mind, I'm only going off of what I've seen in the SW movies. How good is their aim for the most part? SpaceGodzilla is much smaller than the SSD and can fly. If a small ship can fly through a SSD and do damage, I don't see what's stopping him from plowing right through it himself.

I edited my last post to include several quotes about the firepower Star Wars ships, Destroyers and fighters alike, possess. And the Star Destroyers never shot at the ground, of course you never saw any of that level of destruction. But even a glancing blow from one of the laser batteries on any Star Destroyer is enough to destroy a fighter.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Darkness » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:33 pm

See, that's the thing, I'm just a casual SW fan. I like the Star Wars movies, but I never found it interesting enough to look into the comics or novels. So I know next to nothing about anything outside of the films. Just stating that they didn't seem all that tough in the films.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:34 pm

Ah, well that explains it then. Comic book characters are always far more powerful than there movie counterparts. Take the recent Movie Hulk for instance. He's not clapping away galaxies last time I checked.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Gyaos » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:36 pm

Is this sereously going to turn out to be another "omg comics are so overpowered!!1!1!!" thread? Also not all comic characters are insanely powerful. The SSDs have accomplished similar feats in novels if I recall.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby GojiFan » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:43 pm

Gyaos wrote:Is this sereously going to turn out to be another "omg comics are so overpowered!!1!1!!" thread? Also not all comic characters are insanely powerful. The SSDs have accomplished similar feats in novels if I recall.

Yes they have. Star Destroyers didn't get their name because someone thought it sounded cool. They got it because they are good at skreeonk shit up.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby RedZillaKing » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:05 am

There's a few things here that are SO wrong. First of all, wtf? Comics and novels and video games are NOT canon. What's "canon" in Star Wars is narrowed down to the films and Clone Wars. That's it. Please don't treat the convoluted to shit EU as canonical. It's official fanfiction, nothing more. And it often contradicts the films, as silly as that is. Hey did you know that the second Death Star was just a vessel for IG88?

Second of all, if SpaceGodzilla is ON the SSD, how are all of its turbolasers going to be trained on him? That would be like shooting yourself in the face to swat a fly. It would be a (relative) few turbolasers in his vicinity, and they would likely be effected by his pulse, anyway. A collision with a medium sized asteroid destroyed the bridge of a Star Destroyer. SpaceGodzilla's tail could penetrate the bridge/hull no problem.

As for the turbolasers, they aren't all that either. ATATs are equipped with turbolasers, and they hit more like grenades than an incredible death beam. All they did was throw troops around and kick up snow. Moguera's laser cannon that comes out of his chest is extremely powerful, and SpaceGodzilla shrugged that off. Hell, look at Episode II... Slave I is equipped with heavy laser cannons as its primary weapon and they failed to vaporize Obi Wan.... Who was caught in the blast! I know those aren't turbolasers, but come on!

And Gyaos, I said that he could destroy sections of the SSD. Not move the whole thing with his gravity tornadoes. That's just silly. Way to imagine that I overestimated a kaiju.

I swear you people have this thing mixed up with the Death Star itself.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Gyaos » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:53 am

Wait a minute, you act as if the Gravity Tornado is capable of inflicting physical damage apon contact. It did no such thing to Godzilla other than make him glow bright yellow. There was no indication that there was any kind of damage being delt. Being lifted into the air telepathically doesnt crush, maim or damage you at all.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby RedZillaKing » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:10 am

I didn't act like that at all. I'm merely stating that I believe it could peel sections off the ship's hull. Not inflict damage on contact. Never said that. It's TK, that's all.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby GojiFan » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:29 pm

RedZillaKing wrote:There's a few things here that are SO wrong. First of all, wtf? Comics and novels and video games are NOT canon. What's "canon" in Star Wars is narrowed down to the films and Clone Wars. That's it. Please don't treat the convoluted to shit EU as canonical. It's official fanfiction, nothing more. And it often contradicts the films, as silly as that is. Hey did you know that the second Death Star was just a vessel for IG88?
Have a fun time reading this then. http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html

That uses what happens in the movie to put into terms how powerful the HEAVY turbolasers are (aka not the ones mounted on an AT-AT). I can sum up the article for anyone who doesn't feel like reading it though. The heavy turbolasers on a Star Destroyer were capable of vaporizing asteroids the size of the Millennium Falcon in a single4 shot. The amount of energy it takes to do that is insane. One was even bigger than the Millennium Falcon itself.

You can say that the novels and comics don't count, but the movies (especially the later ones) took quite a lot of ideas from those novels and comics. The idea of Anakin's scar in Episode III came from an EU novel. Aayla Secura was created in an EU novel. Kashyyk was created in the EU. Coruscant's name came from EU. The entire history leading up to the Star Wars movies were created in the EU. The battle for Kamino (which happens in the tv series), TOOK PLACE IN EU FIRST. See a pattern here? Is some of it crappy and inconsistent? Oh yeah. But it is extremely consistent that Star Destroyer's are capable of glassing planets through bombardment. Just because they never did it in George's movies doesn't mean they aren't capable of it.

Second of all, if SpaceGodzilla is ON the SSD, how are all of its turbolasers going to be trained on him? That would be like shooting yourself in the face to swat a fly. It would be a (relative) few turbolasers in his vicinity, and they would likely be effected by his pulse, anyway. A collision with a medium sized asteroid destroyed the bridge of a Star Destroyer. SpaceGodzilla's tail could penetrate the bridge/hull no problem.
For one, because the turbolasers are mounted all over the hull of the ship. Have you not seen any of the Star Wars movies? Capitol ships are absolutely covered in them from front to back.

As for the EMP part, yes the ion cannon is different. You see, it took several shots from a planetary defense turret shooting concentrated blasts of energy to disable a regular sized star destroyer. A regular emp wave won't work because it simply isn't strong enough. Almost all capitol ships in any era of Star Wars have ion cannons mounted on them... but they never shut down other ships do they? You want to know why? Because they aren't strong enough to get through the energy shield. The defense turret worked because it was an incredibly powerful turret that blasted through the energy shield using force before frying the circuitry. General Grevious' flag ship was the only capitol ship (that I am aware of) to ever have an ion cannon capable of affecting other capitol ships at the same level that the defense turret did.

As for the turbolasers, they aren't all that either. ATATs are equipped with turbolasers, and they hit more like grenades than an incredible death beam. All they did was throw troops around and kick up snow. Moguera's laser cannon that comes out of his chest is extremely powerful, and SpaceGodzilla shrugged that off. Hell, look at Episode II... Slave I is equipped with heavy laser cannons as its primary weapon and they failed to vaporize Obi Wan.... Who was caught in the blast! I know those aren't turbolasers, but come on!

First of all, the AT-AT's main weapon aren't turbolasers. It's main weapon are heavy laser cannons. The AT-AT does have some light turbolasers, but that wasn't until post-Endor. A SSD is covered in hundreds, or in the case of the Executor thousands, of heavy turbolasers. This is like the 5th time I have said that there is a difference between them.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:21 pm

Remember that this battle takes place in an asteroid field. How could this affect the battle? Could SG use the asteroids as cover from turbo lasers? Could he use telikinisis to throw asteroids into the SSD's path? Could the SSD simply vaporize the incoming asteroids? And will Obama win the next election?
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Inferno Rodan » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:41 pm

SG is gonna have lots of fun growing crystals out of the ship and draining its power. 'Cause that's all he really has to do to win.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Gyaos » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:02 pm

Kaiju-King42 wrote:Remember that this battle takes place in an asteroid field. How could this affect the battle? Could SG use the asteroids as cover from turbo lasers? Could he use telikinisis to throw asteroids into the SSD's path? Could the SSD simply vaporize the incoming asteroids? And will Obama win the next election?

When has Spacegodzilla done ANY of that in any of his battles?

SG is gonna have lots of fun growing crystals out of the ship and draining its power. 'Cause that's all he really has to do to win.

Too bad hes going to be eradicated by the sheer power of the combined Turbolaser blasts.
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Re: Spacegodzilla vs Super Star Destroyer

Postby Inferno Rodan » Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:37 pm

Gyaos wrote:Too bad hes going to be eradicated by the sheer power of the combined Turbolaser blasts.

Give me some evidence that such would happen. 'Cause I'm doubtful, considering it could barely defend itself from a few small fighter ships.
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