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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Godzillabrawler » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:36 pm

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I remember one friend telling me that 'that flaming turtle is from a live action Pokemon movie feature the offspring of Cahrmander and Squirtle... I pointed out their error...


I find it disturbing how many people start talking about something as if they know what it is and what it is about when they clearly don't. It's disturbing how wide spread this is. Why do people do this?


So they can shove "Japanese monster movies are stupid" so far up your nose you feel it penetrate your skull.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Legion1979 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:37 pm

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I remember one friend telling me that 'that flaming turtle is from a live action Pokemon movie feature the offspring of Cahrmander and Squirtle... I pointed out their error...


I find it disturbing how many people start talking about something as if they know what it is and what it is about when they clearly don't. It's disturbing how wide spread this is. Why do people do this?


Because people know it bugs the "nerds" who are passionate about this stuff.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Living Corpse » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:44 pm

Godzillabrawler wrote:So they can shove "Japanese monster movies are stupid" so far up your nose you feel it penetrate your skull.


No I think it's more along the lines of people being in love with the sound of their own voice and needing to "feel smart" by "informing you" of a "fact" they made up.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Dave McDave » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:46 pm

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Living Corpse wrote:
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I remember one friend telling me that 'that flaming turtle is from a live action Pokemon movie feature the offspring of Cahrmander and Squirtle... I pointed out their error...


I find it disturbing how many people start talking about something as if they know what it is and what it is about when they clearly don't. It's disturbing how wide spread this is. Why do people do this?


Because people know it bugs the "nerds" who are passionate about this stuff.


Mind you I don't mind it in a banterish scenario; I had a girl tell me that the original Godzilla fired lasers from his eyes, to which I said that was only in one cartoon series; took ages before I noticed that smile and realised I was just being played up!! Lol. But yeah, some people are pretty crappy about it. Had an ex tell me I was boring because I liked the films, and my two best friends generally groan and run away if I bring Godzilla up... Grrr...
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Tyler » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:54 pm

I like Monster X and just because his toys didn't sell well doesn't mean others shouldn't like him either.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby matsumoto mephilas » Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:58 pm

Tyler wrote:I like Monster X and just because his toys didn't sell well doesn't mean others shouldn't like him either.
exactly but i like his form kaizer ghidorah better :huge:
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Godzillaprime05 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:50 pm

I think a lot of people were caught somewhat off guard when he turned into Ghidorah. I personally thought he was his own thing and was confused when he leaned over and started growing.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Destroyer » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:41 pm

The answer to this is simple. He was an unexpected new monster, with a very 'cool' design. And the fact that he turned into Ghidorah brought up his popularity.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Legion1979 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:45 am

Destroyer wrote:The answer to this is simple. He was an unexpected new monster, with a very 'cool' design. And the fact that he turned into Ghidorah brought up his popularity.


Why would the fact that he turned into a terribly designed, horsey Ghidora raise his popularity? Last I checked Kaiser Ghidora isn't very popular either.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Varan 1958 » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:19 am

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Destroyer wrote:The answer to this is simple. He was an unexpected new monster, with a very 'cool' design. And the fact that he turned into Ghidorah brought up his popularity.


Why would the fact that he turned into a terribly designed, horsey Ghidora raise his popularity? Last I checked Kaiser Ghidora isn't very popular either.

To me, it seems like to the G-fans of the U.S., if it has Ghidorah in the name, it has three heads, and it was made by Toho, it instantly becomes a cool kaiju. Sadly, I think it's true.

If I'm not wrong, the U.S. fans have always liked those monsters the fans of Japan didn't. Orga is a good example of this.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby matsumoto mephilas » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:23 am

''let me point out that error sir'' keizer ghidorah is more popular than monster x cause he even had a plush of himself made by toyvault and a bandai vinyl figure so you better think twice before you say keizer ghidorah isn't popular.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:36 am

''let me point out that error sir'' keizer ghidorah is more popular than monster x cause he even had a plush of himself made by toyvault and a bandai vinyl figure so you better think twice before you say keizer ghidorah isn't popular.

Using that same logic, GODZILLA must be hugely successful and popular also. Did you see all the toys they made out of GINO? Crazy. That movie is totally getting a sequel on account of its merchandise.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Bentley » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:46 am

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Destroyer wrote:The answer to this is simple. He was an unexpected new monster, with a very 'cool' design. And the fact that he turned into Ghidorah brought up his popularity.


Why would the fact that he turned into a terribly designed, horsey Ghidora raise his popularity? Last I checked Kaiser Ghidora isn't very popular either.



Ghidorah is a popular monster even if the norm now is to have him with a random design or average power. Original-recipe King Ghidorah was imposing and even though only a few incarnations have replicated that awesomeness its bleed into the inferior versions.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby matsumoto mephilas » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:09 am

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''let me point out that error sir'' keizer ghidorah is more popular than monster x cause he even had a plush of himself made by toyvault and a bandai vinyl figure so you better think twice before you say keizer ghidorah isn't popular.

Using that same logic, GODZILLA must be hugely successful and popular also. Did you see all the toys they made out of GINO? Crazy. That movie is totally getting a sequel on account of its merchandise.
i totally think gino is an alright kaiju aside :eh: from being used as a punching bag in final wars by the real goji :g2k: who everybody like me loves.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Killswitch » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:42 am

I must be missing something, because I didn't know Monster X or Keizer Ghidorah were popular. I actually think its the other way around. Who actually likes this monster(s)?

I think the MonsterX/Keizer designs are terrible. Plus, they look cheap to me. Like they belong on a bad TV show.

Godzilla's final battle, and Toho brings some cheap "Alien" rip-off to the dance? Please!
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby JAGzilla » Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:50 am

I've never gotten the impression that Monster X is popular, either. It's rare that I see any positive discussion about him. Hell, it's actually been so long since I've seen him mentioned at all that I'd forgotten he exists until I saw this thread.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby NSZ » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:31 pm

Monster X, popular? Am I in the Twilight Zone again?

Monster X, and by extension that pathetic excuse for a Ghidorah, will never be popular. If they're ever brought up here, it's usually by the same one or two people.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby matsumoto mephilas » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:54 pm

NSZ wrote:Monster X, popular? Am I in the Twilight Zone again?

Monster X, and by extension that pathetic excuse for a Ghidorah, will never be popular. If they're ever brought up here, it's usually by the same one or two people.
say what you say about keizer ghidorah but in my opinion he's hands down one of the best ghidorahs ever cretaceous ghidorah is pathetic excuse for a ghidorah if you ask me :lol: .
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:04 pm

Killswitch wrote:Who actually likes this monster(s)?


*Rises hand* I like Monster X and Kaizer Ghidorah.

Doesn't change the fact that there not popular though.
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Re: Why is Monster X so popular?

Postby DoctorMafune » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:56 pm

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matsumoto mephilas wrote:''let me point out that error sir'' keizer ghidorah is more popular than monster x cause he even had a plush of himself made by toyvault and a bandai vinyl figure so you better think twice before you say keizer ghidorah isn't popular.

Using that same logic, GODZILLA must be hugely successful and popular also. Did you see all the toys they made out of GINO? Crazy. That movie is totally getting a sequel on account of its merchandise.

It's all too true that movie tie-in merch (much of it produced before the film hits the screen) is often grossly over-done, so that unwanted toys of GINO, characters shown in Green Lantern for two seconds each, etc., end up as landfill in the Bargain Bins of Doom. So that's not a reliable way to gauge the popularity of a character or monster.

Over time, the number of garage kits and toys of a particular monster produced by fans / small semi-pro companies in Japan selling to the specialty market might provide a very rough index of how popular the monster is with collectors there. "Very rough" is the key phrase, there... My guess is that some kits and vinyls get produced just because one or two guys wanted to do it, and they have no objection to breaking even or making a little money in the process (if they're lucky). One or two data points (like the Keizer Ghidorah from (U.S.-based?) Toy Vault plus the Bandai figure) wouldn't reveal a whole lot, either.

But when multiple specialty market-oriented companies in Japan end up producing literally dozens of vinyl figures (in multiple color combinations for each) of a monster (e.g.,Godzilla '62; Hedorah), it does seem like some index of the monster's popularity with dedicated fans / collectors there.

Another indicator might be secondary market prices on mass-released figures: especially high resale prices on figures that weren't all that rare to start with.

From this perspective, the fact that Bandai made a Monster X wouldn't, by itself, count as an indication of his popularity with fans. But if secondary market prices on that figure went up substantially, and if it was released in large numbers to begin with, that might be one indication. (Did they?) As for figures by companies that produce for the specialty market: GigaBrain produced a Monster X; did anyone else?

No offense intended, if you like him... different strokes. I remember some of my friends in Tokyo shaking their heads when I said that I liked Titanosaurus, and was hoping that someone would produce new figures or kits. (This was back in the early 90s.)

And I bought one of Bandai's Monster X's myself: not because he's ever going to be one of my favorites, but because I like the figure, and it adds variety / off-beatness to a Ghidorah display.
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