GojiFan wrote:No where does it say "scale energy attacks".
It also doesn't say "scale physical strength attacks". But you're doing it anyway.
Inferno Rodan wrote:So prove that she can maintain the field for more than what's required to block a single projectile that only impacts for a fraction of a second.
I already touched upon this earlier. Legion uses electricity to catch and dissipate the projectile, the ‘field’ we see is more akin to a recoil. What this essentially boils down to is a beam war, and the odds are in Legion’s favor. Why? Because it’s really not about power, it’s about time. On average, Godzilla’s atomic breath lasts anywhere between 1-2 seconds long. Legion’s electricity lasted several seconds longer than that.
What? Heisei Godzilla's beam hits its target almost instantly after it's fired. Gamera's fireballs travel much more slowly.
I wasn’t disputing that. All I did was point out how Legion had her ‘shield’ ready long before Gamera even fired his weapon. I guess you can say she has good intuition.
So basically what you're saying is an attack needs to be as strong as the Mana beam in order to hurt Legion.
Pardon me while I laugh.
Too bad laughing isn’t a valid rebuttal. Next time provide evidence that disputes what I really
said before you backpedal out the way you did.
What I’m saying is easy to comprehend. Gamera’s much more powerful Mana Beam took 14 seconds
to burn through Legion’s unprotected abdomen. Godzilla’s Atomic Blast is nowhere near as powerful as the Mana Beam and it usually lasts 1-2 seconds. Obviously, kaiju with weaker beams than the Mana Beam have a shot at damaging Legion’s exoskeleton. It would, however, take a very long time and it would require lots of multiple hits.
...Okay? There's conventional weapons that would spatter nearly any kaiju across the landscape (look up the Massive Ordnance Penetrator). What's your point?
My point is Legion’s exoskeleton resisted explosions that weren’t much different than the ones Godzilla’s ray caused. I admitted Godzilla’s ray is hotter, but it won’t really make much of a difference in this fight.
Tell me, Tom, what's harder to miss:
1. Charred debris among other charred debris.
2. The trackway of a 450-foot tall creature leading away from an impact site.
I repeat, it slowed down after hitting the earth
. Another quote from the movie:
“And the traces look like skid marks from braking.” Can pods put on the brakes? If you think so, care to prove it?
Tell me, Inferno Rodan, what makes more sense:
1. A pod from space hit the Earth, put on the brakes, and completely vanished without leaving any trace.
2. A giant space bug hit the earth, slowed itself down, and FLEW AWAY (because Legion can do that) without leaving a trace.
No they aren't. They're scaled to Toho weight. Their offensive and defensive feats remain the same, assuming their height remains the same. Just because a monster gets heavier, that doesn't make their attacks stronger. If the monster gets taller or shorter, obviously its attacks get larger or smaller by the same amount, but that doesn't make the attacks proportionally stronger or weaker.
This sounds like something we’re going to disagree on until the rules are updated.
However, the Daiei kaiju being scaled in these fights changes what we see in their films. Now when you’re debating Legion and cite G2
as evidence, we’re looking at a 84,000-ton creature, not a 600-ton creature. For the sake of these discussions, Legion now weighs that much in the film. So when she starts getting pushed back by Gamera’s Mana Beam, it means the Mana Beam now possesses enough force to push 84,000-tons back. It has to to make that scene relevant.
If you disagree, then you should, by default, claim Gamera struggled to stop a 600-ton creature instead of stopping an 84,000-ton creature.
This also makes FW Godzilla stronger than we thought. It doesn’t matter if he weighs 20,000-tons now. When his beam blasted Monster X’s 60,000-ton ass back, it will still retain that much power even though Monster X now weighs 30,000-tons in these discussions. There is so much wrong with that logic, I hope you’ll reconsider your argument. If you will, then you’d agree FW Godzilla only blasted back 30,000-tons in that scene. If you agree with that, then you should have no trouble agreeing Gamera’s Mana Beam was pushing back the 84,000-ton Legion.
And why should we single out the energy beams? This applies to physical strength as well. According to your logic, Heisei Godzilla’s physical feats should still be what they were before being scaled. So Heisei Godzilla, despite being shrunk down, still retains his 150,000-ton lifting strength. That’s really bad for all the Showa and Millennium kaiju who originally stood a chance because of the change in scaling.
Suddenly, these discussions just got extremely boring and one-sided.
In this battle, Legion's weight would be increased to about what it would be on the Toho scale. Say 150,000 tons. That weight increase has ZERO EFFECT on her attacks and durability. Her EM Blast is the same strength as it was in the movie.
We’re going by KWC stats for some reason, so Legion’s actually 84,000-tons, not 150,000. This means Heisei Godzilla can no longer lift and throw the 150,000-tons MechaGodzilla, but 70,000-tons.
Here’s what your argument is:
“Even though Legion is no longer 600-tons in this discussion, she’s actually 84,000-tons, and even though that applies to the movie now, we’re just going to treat the part where the Mana Beam pushes her as an unimpressive showing ‘cause, well, she used to be 600-tons, even though she isn’t anymore, and that’s all it can push because, uh, we say so.”