"Best Possible source" hypothetical DVD discussion

[o.supreme]

Greetings All,

I was just wondering hypothetically speaking- If a DVD manufacturer decided to pick up licence for English dubs of Toho films such as the AIP/Titra dubs and/or Brenco films (The Last War, Gorath, The Human Vapor). Would you be willing to purchase inferior quality DVD's if reasonably priced(claiming to come from the best possible source)? Its just that I miss seeing these films the way they were on TV growing up. I have most of them in my personal collection, but I would like to seem them preserved for the masses, even if not perfect, since DVD quality sources seem to be either impossible to find, or too pricey for anyone to invest in.

Also there is qustion of "IF" the AIP dubs could be syncd up with a clear video source of the films. I know for some (DAM for instance) this would be nearly impossible as some whole sequences are edited out of order, however there is a rumor that one fan made a copy of Gvs.SM with R2 Video source & AIP audio (although this should be taken as rumor unless it can be confirmed). I was just wondering if anyone would invest in these, or are we ok with letting them disappear forever and just accepting the international dubs and/or subtitled versions?

[Malchik]

A lot of the inferior VHS and licensed DVDs make use of the best sources. No company bothered to preserve the AIP dubs because they were initially designed for one premier broadcast. The biggest nail in the coffin is the majority of the studio that held the masters when bankrupt, then re-bankrupt, then bought out and the reels were lost or destroyed by the license holders. The reason any of them survive to make bargain-bin video is because many collectors got used duplicates made for smaller station on the market.

Can you edit the audio back in? Why not? They did it with the American release for Ultraman. Only issue is they had to use Japanese audio for scenes deleted from the American cut. You can also take an old AIP dud and re-edit the Japanese film to best represent it and re-sync the audio, but that's a lot of work for a cult release. Actually I may take my bootleg of Gammera and re-cut the Shout film for something to do, it's just the audio is amazingly poor.

[Arbok]

Not quite sure on the question being asked.

If a company was releasing, for example, a pristine copy of the Japanese version of the film... with an "inferior quality" version of the film in its US format as a bonus than that would be fantastic. If the US version was from the "best possible source" all the better.

However, if the DVDs only contained the US version and the quality wasn't so hot... then probably wouldn't be as interested. In fact, Smog Monster would probably be the only one I would spring for in a scenario like that.

[omgitsgodzilla]

^^Word.
Classic Media did a pretty good job on the films they released, IMO. I've heard that frames - individual frames - were cut out of Ghidrah to fit the English dialogue, and CM managed to replicate it on their release. So it can be done, but it's probably best left to pros and takes a lot of time and effort that many people probably don't have.

[Proofpoochie]

Despite what many fans say, Classic Media did a great job for their recreations of the US versions. They aren't perfect, but what do you expect from a low budget DVD company?

[Goji]

Despite what many fans say, Classic Media did a great job for their recreations of the US versions. They aren't perfect, but what do you expect from a low budget DVD company?

GHIDRAH was the only U.S. version that they had to re-create, but it turned out GREAT in my opinion. All of the releases were satisfactory, and the complains that people have are frankly, just nit picking (I'm guilty of a little bit of that myself). I still wish a proper widescreen version of GODZILLA VS. THE THING could have been located, and I think an International print should have been used for TERROR OF MECHAGODZILLA, and then just had the TV prologue (and title screen) as a special feature. This would have fixed the audio problem with the U.S. version, which is a little on the low side (because of the TV version being used as a source). All in all, their releases were great. Nice packaging and menus too. Something that can't be said about Sony's Godzilla releases..

[Legion1979]

GHIDRAH was the only U.S. version that they had to re-create...

And Terror of Mechagodzilla, technically. It's just the Japanese video attached to the English audio.

All in all, their releases were great. Nice packaging and menus too. Something that can't be said about Sony's Godzilla releases..

Maybe, but the picture quality of the Sony Showa DVDs is lightyears ahead of the Classic Media stuff.

[Goji]

GHIDRAH was the only U.S. version that they had to re-create...

And Terror of Mechagodzilla, technically. It's just the Japanese video attached to the English audio.

All in all, their releases were great. Nice packaging and menus too. Something that can't be said about Sony's Godzilla releases..

Maybe, but the picture quality of the Sony Showa DVDs is lightyears ahead of the Classic Media stuff.

I forgot that they used the Japanese print as the source..but that didn't really require any real work, but I suppose it does count as a "recreation" of the U.S TV version.

I have to agree with you on Sony's disks. The picture quality is FANTASTIC. CM's disks are something to be desired as far as quality, but I can't really complain too much. They're still satisfactory, and a HELL of a lot better than CM's old, shitty releases.

[gvamp]

I don't mind the quality on the CM discs my only complaint is that the Mothra vs G DVD has Godzilla vs The Thing in 1:85:1 instead of the correct OAR of 2:35:1

[Goji]

I don't mind the quality on the CM discs my only complaint is that the Mothra vs G DVD has Godzilla vs The Thing in 1:85:1 instead of the correct OAR of 2:35:1

Yeah, that sucked. There was also a brief scene missing from the film, where the JSDF announces "Plan C", right after Godzilla escapes the net trap and destroys the tanks with his atomic ray. The scene IS on CM's original release of GODZILLA VS. THE THING (which is in the proper aspect ratio, but has a yellow tint to it). I'm pretty sure that CM's source for the new print used on the 2007 DVD is from the Monsters! HD broadcast. Why it wasn't in 2:35:1, is beyond me.

[omgitsgodzilla]

I don't mind the quality on the CM discs my only complaint is that the Mothra vs G DVD has Godzilla vs The Thing in 1:85:1 instead of the correct OAR of 2:35:1

Yeah, makes you wish they'd come up with the idea of Japanese video and English audio in identical scenes earlier.

[Proofpoochie]

I don't mind the quality on the CM discs my only complaint is that the Mothra vs G DVD has Godzilla vs The Thing in 1:85:1 instead of the correct OAR of 2:35:1

Yeah, that sucked. There was also a brief scene missing from the film, where the JSDF announces "Plan C", right after Godzilla escapes the net trap and destroys the tanks with his atomic ray. The scene IS on CM's original release of GODZILLA VS. THE THING (which is in the proper aspect ratio, but has a yellow tint to it). I'm pretty sure that CM's source for the new print used on the 2007 DVD is from the Monsters! HD broadcast. Why it wasn't in 2:35:1, is beyond me.

Uh, what?

CM's original release of Mothra Vs. Godzilla is in FULL SCREEN which is NOT the proper aspect ratio.

[g2kmaster]

I don't mind the quality on the CM discs my only complaint is that the Mothra vs G DVD has Godzilla vs The Thing in 1:85:1 instead of the correct OAR of 2:35:1

Yeah, that sucked. There was also a brief scene missing from the film, where the JSDF announces "Plan C", right after Godzilla escapes the net trap and destroys the tanks with his atomic ray. The scene IS on CM's original release of GODZILLA VS. THE THING (which is in the proper aspect ratio, but has a yellow tint to it). I'm pretty sure that CM's source for the new print used on the 2007 DVD is from the Monsters! HD broadcast. Why it wasn't in 2:35:1, is beyond me.

Uh, what?

CM's original release of Mothra Vs. Godzilla is in FULL SCREEN which is NOT the proper aspect ratio.

I think he meant the Simitar DVD...

[Goji]

Yeah, my bad, I meant the Simitar DVD.

[Proofpoochie]

Oh, sorry. I should have known.

[Taco_Otaku_59]

I found an inferior quality dvd of The Human Vapor on eBay's Half.com site.
Last time I buy an un-official release dvd... Barely watchable...

[o.supreme]

I found an inferior quality dvd of The Human Vapor on eBay's Half.com site.
Last time I buy an un-official release dvd... Barely watchable...

Ok this is what I am talking about. This was probably a home made transfer from the Prism (or other Human Vapor) VHS. Now Taco_Otaku_59 says he regrets his purchase, understandably so. But if it is a choice between this or nothing at all for the english dub version (letting it fade away into non-existence and hope for an R1 english subtitled release someday),what would you choose?

[Rockzilla]

Greetings All,

I was just wondering hypothetically speaking- If a DVD manufacturer decided to pick up licence for English dubs of Toho films such as the AIP/Titra dubs and/or Brenco films (The Last War, Gorath, The Human Vapor). Would you be willing to purchase inferior quality DVD's if reasonably priced(claiming to come from the best possible source)? Its just that I miss seeing these films the way they were on TV growing up. I have most of them in my personal collection, but I would like to seem them preserved for the masses, even if not perfect, since DVD quality sources seem to be either impossible to find, or too pricey for anyone to invest in.

Also there is qustion of "IF" the AIP dubs could be syncd up with a clear video source of the films. I know for some (DAM for instance) this would be nearly impossible as some whole sequences are edited out of order, however there is a rumor that one fan made a copy of Gvs.SM with R2 Video source & AIP audio (although this should be taken as rumor unless it can be confirmed). I was just wondering if anyone would invest in these, or are we ok with letting them disappear forever and just accepting the international dubs and/or subtitled versions?

There is a fan made copy of Godzilla vs The Smog Monster using the R1 Sony DVD. I can't post where to get it since it is against site rules I think, but I will say that you don't have to pay for it.

[Tamura]

I really hope that the Brenco 3 get released through MGM's MOD program.

[omgitsgodzilla]

^^Do tell. What is this MOD program you speak of?