Godzilla '94 vs. Legion

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ARENA:
Kyoto, Japan

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VERDICT:
I can see either of the combatants taking the victory. I don't see Legion's shield holding up against a volly of Atomic Rays, or even a single Spiral Ray. On the other hand Legion's energy whips are going to do a great deal of damage to the monster king if they hit. Overall I see Godzilla tearing Legion apart with his Atomic Ray spamming, a few missiles did blow off some of her mandibles. Legion's energy beam is comparable in strength to the Plasma Grenade so that may be a problem as well.

Godzilla 6/10
Legion 4/10

[Gyaos]

I assume Legion can control her soldiers here? If so she could probably use them to distract Godzilla and try to get some moves in, but I dont see that giving her the win in the long run.

Godzilla wins.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

If you say 'Legion has aim equivalent to that of Spacegodzilla' I will give it to her.

But since she doesn;t....

[Tohosaurus]

I will be in the Godzilla camp for now. As the OP said Legion won't go down without a fight but ultimately Heisei Godzilla had overwhelming firepower and strength.

[GojiFan]

Legion's shield will not work out to well here. She barely managed to absorb fireballs from Gamera. Godzilla's beam travels faster and it is a continuous beam, not repeated hits. Then there is the whole durability thing going on. Legion was damaged by ordinary military missiles, though she stood up against the mana beam for a little while. Godzilla's beam, if and when it hits, will do a lot of damage to Legion. Godzilla on the other hand, is not only on a completely different level in durability but also can regenerate. The soldiers will just get turned into canon fodder if they try the swarm tactic they did against Gamera. One nuclear pulse and Godzilla will clear most of the soldiers, if not all.

So yeah, Godzilla wins.

[Rody]

Godzilla will take the victory here, but not without difficulty. I personally think Legion is capable of absorbing Goji's heat beam. At the same time, Legion's electromagnetic-beam-whatever will really hurt Godzilla; however I don't know how much critical damage it will actually cause. I also don't know under what circumstances Legion can use her laser whips (apart from losing her horn), but if she does use them, they'll do pretty serious damage (of course, Goji has regen...). If the kaiju go melee, Legion has the advantage; I see Godzilla losing a lot of blood. Of course, if Goji does get badly hurt in melee, he'll cheat and use a nuclear pulse - that will cripple Legion.
In the end, it's a battle between a very well-rounded kaiju & a cheap Heisei tank.
Godzilla wins 6/10.

[Hellspawn28]

I remember that Legion was hurt missiles in Gamera 2. I don't think Legion has the raw power and durability to stand up against Godzilla since Toho Kaiju have more stronger durability and raw power then Daiei Kaiju.

[Darkness]

Godzilla takes this. Although Goji won't like getting hit by her beam at all, assuming that she hits him. As everyone's pointed out, her aim isn't necessarily the best. But Godzilla's beam is going to deal some serious damage to Legion and her shield will not be able to block it. It can only prevent attacks in short bursts, such as Gamera's fireballs and all it could do was redirect missiles slightly, Godzilla's beam is going to power it's way through and hit Legion causing serious damage. If the fight goes up close, Legion has the size advantage, but Godzilla has the strength advantage, I don't know if the weight is scaled or not, but either way, I can see Godzilla overpowering her with his shear strength.

[edgaguirus]

Godzilla has the victory here. Godzilla's beam is strong, and his spiral beam will really stress Legion's shield, if not cut through it. Legions swarm will be easily taken out with a nuclear pulse, so they're not any use. Legion's beam and whips will hurt Godzilla, but his regeneration should prevent lethal injury.
In physical combat, Godzilla still has the advantage. He's faced larger opponents before and been able to knock them around.

[Kaiju-King42]

Legion's energy beam is comparable in strength to the Plasma Grenade so that may be a problem as well.

...You have to be kidding me.

Since when has the plasma grenade ever done anything like THIS!



And guess what? The explosion is clearly going even higher and out to the sides then this picture shows. This was all from ONE blast of Legion's beam. The Plasma grenade took several attempts to put a hole in Rodan's chest. The Electromagnetic beam went through Gamera's shell (which has been known to deflect even the strongest attacks) like it was nothing! I'd hate to say it, but I guarantee that beam will go through Godzilla like CRAP THROUGH A GOOSE!

That is, if it lands a direct hit of course.

As for Legion's supposed fragility, let me remind you guys that her main body took Gamera's mana beam for at least over 10 seconds. Gamera literally used all the mana he could drain to use this attack, leading me too believe that it is pretty powerful. "Oh, but what about when the army took Legion's wings and legs off?" The wings of an insect are the most fragile parts of the body. Those things are extremely thin! As for the small arms, keep in mind that they were tiny, like fingers to you and I. They also didn't have much armour in their mid-section, which is where they broke off when the missiles hit. Oh, and the horn? The same thing happened to Ebirah's arms for crying out loud, and I wouldn't doubt for a second that he could take conventional weaponry. If you were to bend or apply pressure to a persons arm in a certain way, chances are your going to dislocate or break it. And when you have an exoskeleton, dislocation is not a good thing!

As for the shield being suggested to be weak, let be remind you that Gamera's fire balls are pretty powerful, even for kaiju standards. The shield also managed to hold back the fire balls easily. It was only when the missiles damaged the arms (the things that produce the shield) that Legion had trouble holding them back. As for how the missiles got past the shield, there were many of them coming for Legion at once, and she couldn't block them all. Thats like the difference between punting a birdie back with a badminton racket and having to punt back ten of them at once!

The Symbiotic Legions could prove trouble for Godzilla as well, unless he uses a nuclear pules. But remember, on the off chance that this is a long fight, Legion can produce one hundred of them in an hour.

If the laser whips are called into action, Godzilla is in deep trouble. His regeneration will be tested to its limits, the question is, is it enough to save him from what is essentially multiple, super powered versions of sonic beams?

Legion is also no stranger in close combat, having completely gutted Gamera in their first encounter. And don't say that Gamera isn't durable, because he survives (or at least remains intact) when he gets caught right in the middle of the Legion Flower's blast in the same movie!

Now, having finished my rant, I will say that I am voting for Legion. (no surprise there). However, I concur that it will not be without a huge fight. Big G never goes down easy after all.

Time to raise the flame shield!

Edit: On second thought, if Godzilla manages a spiral ray (unlikely but still possible), he will stand a pretty good shot at winning.

[Living Corpse]

"Oh, but what about when the army took Legion's wings and legs off?" The wings of an insect are the most fragile parts of the body. Those things are extremely thin! As for the small arms, keep in mind that they were tiny, like fingers to you and I. They also didn't have much armour in their mid-section, which is where they broke off when the missiles hit.

THANK YOU!

And just to add to that, her main body has been hit by missiles and tank shells with no ill effect and she fell from god knows how high up in the sky when they shot her wings off and she was for most part intact. So just because her wings and "shield legs" were weak does not mean the rest of the body is.

Now as for who's gonna win, I'm gonna give it to Godzilla simply because he's a beam spammer but make no mistake, Legion is not gonna pop like a ballon from one hit of his beam it's gonna be a while and Godzilla is gonna be in a world of hurt when Legion finally get's lucky and scores a direct hit with her Rail Horn Beam.

Godzilla 6/ Legion 4

[Darkness]

And guess what? The explosion is clearly going even higher and out to the sides then this picture shows. This was all from ONE blast of Legion's beam. The Plasma grenade took several attempts to put a hole in Rodan's chest. The Electromagnetic beam went through Gamera's shell (which has been known to deflect even the strongest attacks) like it was nothing! I'd hate to say it, but I guarantee that beam will go through Godzilla like CRAP THROUGH A GOOSE!

While a direct hit would definitely do some damage, I don't think it would punch a hole through Godzilla. Gamera is many times more frail than Godzilla. However, I am going to have to agree with you on the legs and wings bit, I completely forgot that she was taking shots at some points in the movie without slowing down, so clearly Legion is more durable than she is given credit for.

As for the shield being suggested to be weak, let be remind you that Gamera's fire balls are pretty powerful, even for kaiju standards. The shield also managed to hold back the fire balls easily. It was only when the missiles damaged the arms (the things that produce the shield) that Legion had trouble holding them back. As for how the missiles got past the shield, there were many of them coming for Legion at once, and she couldn't block them all. Thats like the difference between punting a birdie back with a badminton racket and having to punt back ten of them at once!

It's not that the shield is weak, it is that it is designed to stop volley's quick attacks, not a constant beam. The shield quickly began to dissipate as soon as the attack hit. With Godzilla's beam, it would likely only block the first bit before the beam would continue on through and hit her. And as for the missiles, I don't think it was because there were multiples, I think it's because Legion's shield isn't designed to block those, all it could do was redirect them.

The Symbiotic Legions could prove trouble for Godzilla as well, unless he uses a nuclear pules. But remember, on the off chance that this is a long fight, Legion can produce one hundred of them in an hour.
If the laser whips are called into action, Godzilla is in deep trouble. His regeneration will be tested to its limits, the question is, is it enough to save him from what is essentially multiple, super powered versions of sonic beams?

I doubt the Symbiotic Legions would give Godzilla much trouble, I don't think they could cause any real damage due to Godzilla's superior durability as well as regeneration. The laser whips would give a bit of trouble, but it seems Legion is only capable of using that attack when her horn is removed, which may or may not happen. But considering how easily Godzilla was able to regenerate from Biollante's vine attacks, I don't think the laser whips would be much worse. If anything, they would cause less damage because they don't cause huge gashes like Biollante's attacks did.

Legion is also no stranger in close combat, having completely gutted Gamera in their first encounter. And don't say that Gamera isn't durable, because he survives (or at least remains intact) when he gets caught right in the middle of the Legion Flower's blast in the same movie!

Godzilla is also ridiculously strong. Able to lift kaiju over twice his own weight like they were nothing. And it is true that Gamera 'remains intact' after the explosion of the Legion flower, but he doesn't take attacks very well, I personally don't see Legion's legs doing much to Godzilla, who is going to be spamming his beam like crazy. And that's where Legion is going to fall, her shield is incapable of blocking it and it will take it's toll on her. And if the Spiral Ray comes into play... it'll only take a couple shots to take Legion down.

[Tomzilla]

Legion's shield will not work out to well here. She barely managed to absorb fireballs from Gamera. Godzilla's beam travels faster and it is a continuous beam, not repeated hits.

If by 'barely managed to absorb fireballs' you mean after having her arms blown off, which in turn weakened her shield, you'd be correct. Otherwise, Legion's shield would stop Godzilla's ray just fine.

The way Legion's shield works is really interesting. Legion's arms fire electrical energies, focusing them into one spot, where they 'catch' the projectile, contain it (they also contain the explosion itself, too), and shrink it down into a puff of smoke. This Godzilla rarely fires longer than a few seconds. He prefers quick bursts, hence why he's regarded as a beam spammer. All he's going to do is make Legion's shield look brighter.

Then there is the whole durability thing going on. Legion was damaged by ordinary military missiles, though she stood up against the mana beam for a little while. Godzilla's beam, if and when it hits, will do a lot of damage to Legion.

Godzilla's ray would have to hit her tiny arms to damage her. If he chooses to hit anywhere else on her body, assuming her shield hadn't already rendered it ineffective, it won't do anything.

Legion, in a weakened state, withstood Gamera's Mana Beam for several seconds. So Godzilla's rays will do squat. He'd have to fire an onslaught of Spiral Blasts to pierce her exoskeleton.

After surviving reentry, Legion crashed in the beginning of the film. This is both an impressive strength and durability feat for one reason: after hitting the Earth, she 'slammed on the brakes', and slowed down without breaking apart. Not many kaiju can brag about crashing into the Earth, meteorite style, slow themselves down, and walk away without a scratch.

Godzilla on the other hand, is not only on a completely different level in durability but also can regenerate. The soldiers will just get turned into canon fodder if they try the swarm tactic they did against Gamera. One nuclear pulse and Godzilla will clear most of the soldiers, if not all.

So yeah, Godzilla wins.

This is where I agree. Godzilla's regeneration, nuclear pulse, and Spiral Blasts (fight will last an extremely long time, so Godzilla will use this attack after his energy levels rise) will help him win. But boy, will he hurt. Legion's tough enough to match his strength and durability. If she were a better shot, Legion would've won this match with ease. If she scored a direct hit with her Electromagnetic Blast, it would've been game over for Godzilla.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

Isn't the Spiral Ray kinda a moot point? Godzilla only used it twice- once when supercharged with Rodan's energy, the other when supercharged with Spacegodzilla's residual energy. No such luck here.

But since her aim sucks so bad, although her beam can kill/incapacitate Goji in one shot, she can't hit him with it. Thus, Legion, deprived of her key weapon, will be overwhelmed.

[Kaiju-King42]

Something I've been wondering about the spiral ray. In GvMG2, he gets it by Fire
Rodan turning into pure energy and giving him a big power boost. In GvD, he gets it because as Burning Godzilla, he already has a huge power boost. But in GvSG, it isn't clear why he has it, but my theory is that SG's shoulder crystals channel the power of the crystals into his body, and when they were destroyed, the power was left to leak into the air, where Godzilla absorbed it to power his spiral ray. Like I said, it's only a theory, but if Godzilla can't use his spiral ray unless gaining more power somehow, it could really change the outcome.

Another thIng, the nuclear pules. Godzilla only seems to use this sparingly. The only exeption that I can thinkof is when he is in burning form. Perhapes this is because it requires a great deal of energy to preform?

BTW, regeneration doesn't equal invincibility. Remember Mothra and Battra?

Edit: Whoops. Didn't realize the person above me was typing the same thing. That's what happens when you use a smart phone.

[Inferno Rodan]

If by 'barely managed to absorb fireballs' you mean after having her arms blown off, which in turn weakened her shield, you'd be correct. Otherwise, Legion's shield would stop Godzilla's ray just fine.

The way Legion's shield works is really interesting. Legion's arms fire electrical energies, focusing them into one spot, where they 'catch' the projectile, contain it (they also contain the explosion itself, too), and shrink it down into a puff of smoke. This Godzilla rarely fires longer than a few seconds. He prefers quick bursts, hence why he's regarded as a beam spammer. All he's going to do is make Legion's shield look brighter.

Legion's shield would only work against projectiles. The very fact that it "catches" them like you explained and has to reform after each hit would render it useless against a beam. Gamera's fireballs are like baseballs. Godzilla's beam is like a stream of water from a hose. The latter can't simply be "caught" regardless of how short the burst is.

There's also the whole issue of Godzilla's beam traveling much faster than Gamera's fireballs. I doubt she'll even be able to form her shield before the beam reaches her in the first place.

Godzilla's ray would have to hit her tiny arms to damage her. If he chooses to hit anywhere else on her body, assuming her shield hadn't already rendered it ineffective, it won't do anything.

Helooooo clearly unarmored lower torso, which isn't even covered by the shield in the first place.

God, Gamera is such a dumbass that it's not even funny.

Legion, in a weakened state, withstood Gamera's Mana Beam for several seconds. So Godzilla's rays will do squat. He'd have to fire an onslaught of Spiral Blasts to pierce her exoskeleton.

This is explained by the fact that Legion's exoskeleton is made of silicon. Silicon has a stupidly high melting point. The Mana Beam is purely heat, with no explosive power at all. That's the only reason she survived it for so long.

After surviving reentry, Legion crashed in the beginning of the film. This is both an impressive strength and durability feat for one reason: after hitting the Earth, she 'slammed on the brakes', and slowed down without breaking apart. Not many kaiju can brag about crashing into the Earth, meteorite style, slow themselves down, and walk away without a scratch.

I still don't know where you're getting that she came through the atmosphere, as an adult, completely unprotected. The Legion Flowers launch pods into space, not adult Legion Queens.

And even if that was the case, such a ridiculous feat of durability is blatantly contradicted more than once later in the film.

[GojiFan]

Legion's energy beam is comparable in strength to the Plasma Grenade so that may be a problem as well.

...You have to be kidding me.

Since when has the plasma grenade ever done anything like THIS!

Watch the movie and you clearly see that Legion's beam did not cause an explosion like that. Her shooting her beam at a bunch of stuff that proceeded to go boom did though. Her beam never caused explosions that size when nothing was around to fuel a giant explosion.

f by 'barely managed to absorb fireballs' you mean after having her arms blown off, which in turn weakened her shield, you'd be correct. Otherwise, Legion's shield would stop Godzilla's ray just fine.

The way Legion's shield works is really interesting. Legion's arms fire electrical energies, focusing them into one spot, where they 'catch' the projectile, contain it (they also contain the explosion itself, too), and shrink it down into a puff of smoke. This Godzilla rarely fires longer than a few seconds. He prefers quick bursts, hence why he's regarded as a beam spammer. All he's going to do is make Legion's shield look brighter.

No, I meant her shield had to be replenished after each fireball. Godzilla likes to spam beams, and they are also continuous. Legion doesn't have the luck of facing multiple projectiles in this instance, but a continuous beam. What do you think is the harder feat to accomplish Tom: Keeping your balance after a few small bursts of a fire hose or a continuous stream from a fire hose (I realize either way you would probably fall over)?

Godzilla's ray would have to hit her tiny arms to damage her. If he chooses to hit anywhere else on her body, assuming her shield hadn't already rendered it ineffective, it won't do anything.

Legion, in a weakened state, withstood Gamera's Mana Beam for several seconds. So Godzilla's rays will do squat. He'd have to fire an onslaught of Spiral Blasts to pierce her exoskeleton

Her lower body seemed pretty easy to harm...

And as IR said, Silicon has a very high melting point. That is why the mana beam didn't seem as effective as it would against other kaiju.

[miguelnuva]

Godzilla takes this easily without the spiral beam. Legion got beat by Gamera who is equal to Hesiei v1 goji at beast.

[Grayshot954]

Godzilla takes this easily without the spiral beam. Legion got beat by Gamera who is equal to Hesiei v1 goji at beast.

While I disagree with you with the bolded (Best not Beast). Godzilla wins this but it will be a along, drawn out fight. Legion is no pushover and is not fragile. His shield should be able to take Godzilla's ray, it handled three fireballs over an elongated period just fine. Legion also has her symbiotic legion and durability. Speaking of which, I don't understand why everyone thinks the Gamera monsters are not durable. The Gyaos I understand and a good argument can be said for Irys but Gamera and Legion especially I can't comprehend. They took constant firepower and endured. Anyway,

Godzilla 7/10
Legion 3/10

[Kaiju-King42]

Watch the movie and you clearly see that Legion's beam did not cause an explosion like that. Her shooting her beam at a bunch of stuff that proceeded to go boom did though. Her beam never caused explosions that size when nothing was around to fuel a giant explosion.

Many other monsters have fired beams at a bunch of stuff that proceeds to go boom. Never, has the explosion been quite like what Legion can do.

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Her lower body seemed pretty easy to harm...

And as IR said, Silicon has a very high melting point. That is why the mana beam didn't seem as effective as it would against other kaiju.

The mana beam directly hit the so-called easy to harm lower body. And if silicon really does have such a high melting point, then why would Godzilla's beam do anything different?

This is explained by the fact that Legion's exoskeleton is made of silicon. Silicon has a stupidly high melting point. The Mana Beam is purely heat, with no explosive power at all. That's the only reason she survived it for so long.

It also has a huge amount of force. Remember that Gamera had to use all his strength to keep from falling over when he was firing, and it still pushed him backwards.

I still don't know where you're getting that she came through the atmosphere, as an adult, completely unprotected. The Legion Flowers launch pods into space, not adult Legion Queens.

And even if that was the case, such a ridiculous feat of durability is blatantly contradicted more than once later in the film.

What landed on Earth was the Legion Queen. Why would a pod slow it's self down as it hit the ground. Why would a pod start moving around underground. My guess is that the pod that the flower launches is a Legion Queen egg. It matures through space, and by the time it hits its destination, its an adult. It then produces Symbiotic Legions to build the next flower. Unless you want to have us believe that the Queen reached maturity in a few days, after magically appearing out of nowhere.

His shield should be able to take Godzilla's ray, it handled three fireballs over an elongated period just fine. Legion also has her symbiotic legion and durability. Speaking of which, I don't understand why everyone thinks the Gamera monsters are not durable. The Gyaos I understand and a good argument can be said for Irys but Gamera and Legion especially I can't comprehend. They took constant firepower and endured.

THANK YOU!

Gamera being "hurt" by missiles when he was dropped out of the sky was because the explosions from the missiles interfered with the chemical reaction that makes his jets work, thus causing him to lose control. When Irys caused Gamera to bleed all over the screen in their air battle, (which certainly hurt him a lot more than any missile) he didn't lose control at all.

And finally, I will repeat what I said before. remember Mothra and Battra? Regeneration doesn't = invincibility.

I'm not saying Godzilla is weak. That guy is going to put up one hell of a fight. But Legion is too much for just him to handle. (Unless he A. Gets military help. B. Pulls a move out of his ass like Gamera. C. All of the above.) Its not bad that he loses to her, Legion is often regarded by many as a top ten Kaiju in terms of power.

And I'm not voting for Legion because I like her better. If I did that then I would have been in the Godzilla camp this whole time, because I like HIM better.

Legion 7/10