Biollante...Really.

[Living Corpse]

Rodan would work best IMHO. He can have a beam to further tie his and Godzilla's origins together as being the result of radiation and still rely mostly on T&C, using his beam as a sort of last resort.

[TokyoVigilante]

Wow, this is refreshing, modern film actually helps me in this case. Cloverfield was a gory film that JJ Abrams himself said was his own take on a Godzilla type movie, so it really does not matter what I or anyone else does or does not want to see because the modern American filmmakers at Legendary will probably play it safe and try to follow Cloverfield's example most likely. That film already proves my point about just how dark Godzilla might get.

Legendary Pictures has been handed the opportunity to craft a new franchise with enough building material to create something grand and with a broad appeal. I don't see them stunting that success by refusing a younger audience.

The only thing left is character assassination and childish squabbling over what is and what is not shocking and scary. Frankly, I have better things to do.

It's a shame that you consider a discussion back and forth to be "childish squabbling" instead of an opportunity to learn and gain new insight. Understanding the balance of working both the physicality of effective horror and the psychological aspect and knowing the pros/cons of each is a positive thing.

And if the movie was not marketed toward the kids, then why were actiion figures of it sold on television to kids, just like Aliens Terminator and RoboCop were.

Because toy robots and dinosaurs and aliens are popular for kids. Doesn't mean kids should watch a movie with a dick-shaped rape monster.

Oh, and that little crack about being a badly raised rule breaking kid was cute.

Oh, for skreeonk sakes. *I* nosed around the cab of my Dads tractor trailer looking for issues of Hustler when I was no more than eight years old. Defying authority and parental figures and breaking the rules is a part of growing up, that's all the comment was intended as. It's like you're trying to get offended now.

As for the "dick measuring contest", that hardly seems an appropriate analogy, since I was comparing a hypothetical scene of interaction between the monsters and the human military with Scylla and Charybdis, two Greek monsters that were notably female.

That doesn't have anything to do with anything. "Dick Measuring Contest" refers to how most of the justifications for dark-n-gritty Godzilla films that I've seen from fans have been more akin to a bunch of kids trying to out gross one another and less about finding an appropriate context for the violence that they're pushing for in the film.


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As for Biollante, she works alot better as a sequel monster and less of a co-star in a new series. You can see how well this is pulled off in Godzilla vs. Biollante, which is built around the consequences of Godzilla's attack from the previous film. It works really well and is one of the stronger aspects of that films plot. I'd rather her be used in a similar way then rushed out.

[shinmattiathekaiju]

So you actually don't want a kiddie movie but something not too much gory or intellectual?

[Gorosaurus Rex]

So you actually don't want a kiddie movie but something not too much gory or intellectual?

Yes. Again, best modern day films that I can think of that fit into the tone that Godzilla should take are: Iron Man, Star Trek '09, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, and X-men: First Class. Apes is arguable the darkest out of the four, but even it never devolves to being needlessly dark or violent. All know how to have fun, update their property, and pay respect to their source material.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

I think Biollante should be in a sequel. Starting out with her would be like starting out Spider-Man vs. Venom. They have Godzilla's original rogues gallery of giant mutated reptiles birds and bugs to play with, why not have a film where he dominates them all and establishes himself as "The King of The Monsters"

That was the point I was trying to put across with the Scylla and Charybdis analogy. Baragon in that case represented Scylla, a monster that actively hunted humans for food, while Godzilla was supposed to represent Charybdis, a large Whirlpool entity capaple of more destruction than Scylla. Charybdis is represented as force of nature that destroys entire ships, so I figured that her relationship to Scylla would be a good way of describing the army being caught between Baragon and Godzilla.

Sorry for taking too personally the rule breaker remark. I think it all got started with whether or not Jurassic Park was aimed at kids or not. On reflection, it is a bit too dark of a movie to comfortabley say that kids should go see it, but the overall emphasis on the child peril in the movie, when so much other action and spectacle took place in the book (Ed Regis and the juvenile 'Rex, Muldoon surviving, Hammond running afoul the Compies, not to mention being nowhere near as warm hearted in the book as his is in the film)along with the rewrites from the book and who does and does not die in the film leads me to believe that it was relatively a film balance to be scary like jaws, but to have the sense of wonder of E.T. A good comparison film would be Aliens, an R rated film. The same nature of monster but showing slightly more violent interaction and a lot more blood (I compare the gory nature of the lawyer's Genarro's death, implying being bitten in half and all, to what the Queen does to Bishop, an android). Interestingly enough, the age of Lex in the book was more around Newt's age in Aliens. Seems that would have been pushing things for a family film with the raptors having a similar screen presence to the aliens.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

I saw and loved Aliens at the age of nine or ten. It scared the hell out of me at first, just like it should have. I wouldn't say that it was aimed at kids, but all of my friends had it on video and such, and it never sent anybody into therapy. I honestly don't approve of depriving kids of real horror films, especially works of fantasy like these. You want to forbid the young ones from seeing Frezny or Last House on the Left? I can totally understand and respect that. These films are disturbing on a much more relatable (and emulatable, if your kid is a budding sociopath) level. However, Jaws, Aliens, Jurassic Park...it's all just high adventure with creature-related mauling and mayhem. Gory and disturbing, sure. But any normal kid can handle this stuff. Believe me, I can remember being that age, and the stories my pals and I used to come up with on our own would make Cronenberg hesitant to film them!

I'm not saying anyone has to agree with me, just offering my two cents.

[Living Corpse]

So yeah about the Biollante thing.

Not gonna happen for the first film and the kids "inside info" is such a blatant cry for attention it's pathetic.

[zilla103192]

I saw and loved Aliens at the age of nine or ten. It scared the hell out of me at first, just like it should have. I wouldn't say that it was aimed at kids, but all of my friends had it on video and such, and it never sent anybody into therapy. I honestly don't approve of depriving kids of real horror films, especially works of fantasy like these. You want to forbid the young ones from seeing Frezny or Last House on the Left? I can totally understand and respect that. These films are disturbing on a much more relatable (and emulatable, if your kid is a budding sociopath) level. However, Jaws, Aliens, Jurassic Park...it's all just high adventure with creature-related mauling and mayhem. Gory and disturbing, sure. But any normal kid can handle this stuff. Believe me, I can remember being that age, and the stories my pals and I used to come up with on our own would make Cronenberg hesitant to film them!

I'm not saying anyone has to agree with me, just offering my two cents.

That's not what we are saying though. He thinks they are kids films just because there are gorier films out there, which isn't true, they are still very much adult films. Just not as out there.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

If that's the case, how come Jurassic Park got a b grade as an acceptable film to show the family on Parent Previews.com?

"Despite the marketing strategies that may suggest otherwise, this is not a film for children." To which they go on to elaborate,
"While this may be an acceptable risk for older teens, those with dino-crazy little ones need to remember that they won't find any cuddly purple plush critters at Jurassic Park!" If you are a thirteen year old kid and your idea of a dinosaur is Barney, there's something wrong.
I saw gorier spectacle in the dinosaur books in the school library in third grade. Wow, carnivorous dinosaurs would eat people if they were around today, who knew? The campy Showa era had plenty of monsters eating people, as did the contemporary American monster films of the age. How many Heisei or Milennium monsters actually ate humans? Get off the high horse.

[Living Corpse]

So much for saving the topic.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Sorry. Getting back on topic, I likened Biollante to Venom because her relationship to Godzilla, at least with the original origin, is about as deep as the connection between Spider-Man and The Venom Symbiote. I guess it could work if they used the same mad scientist plot elements that they used in Terror of Mechagodzilla. Maybe as a project some scientist works on as a counter proposal to building a Mechagodzilla or other mecha to fight Godzilla. Sort of like saying "Human weapons won't work, the only way to kill this beast is to create another with similar abilities. The purpose of making it a plant monster might have served to supposedly hamper its mobility, hopefully making it easier to control, or destroy once it had outlived its usefulness.

[Showa Gyaos]

Did some minor searching on Google (again), and found this page which features those falsified Godzilla models alongside the alleged "Biollante redesigns."

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... s/?a=48428

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Kind of torn when I see the different versions of her teeth. Sure, the "redesign" of Biollante's teeth look more like a Venus' Fly trap's, but they do not look as powerful or numerous as the teeth inside the jaws of the original.