Godzilla X The Kaiju Killer thread

[Chris55]

"The motto", just means it's far easier to criticise than it is to create, but misinterpret it however you want to. Feel free to keep judging my husband, whom you've never met in real life.

He's being judged by his work which is missing a lot of the fundamentals of film-making. Taking some classes or reading up on camera positioning would be a good start. There's obvious desire to make films there. Just keep on improving

[GotengoXGodzilla]

"The motto", just means it's far easier to criticise than it is to create, but misinterpret it however you want to.

Just because it's harder to create than it is to criticize, does not suddenly mean that the creator's words and vision are absolute, or even the best. Like TokyoVigilante said, that motto is very elitist, especially coming from someone who can't seem to handle negative criticism at all. If your husband wants to make anything productive, then he needs to get over the negative comments he gets, and needs to start listening to them. By doing so, his work might actually get better.

Feel free to keep judging my husband, whom you've never met in real life.

...Uh, so what? Just because we've never met your husband doesn't mean we can't form an opinion on what he puts on the internet for everyone to see.

He's losing sleep at night worrying about the next typo pointed out by somone on the internet, therebye ruining his whole film.

...Honestly? Good. That's a sign that he's at least dedicated to his craft. If he's more worried about his film than he is about sleep, that's a good thing. It shows that he cares.

As for the whole "He's not getting enough sleep, therefore ruining his film", there's no proof of that. I know plenty of people who pull of three all-nighters in a row to work on their films, yet still turn good films. So what if he's not getting enough sleep? Welcome to the world of filmmaking! Very little sleep, even less food and even fewer bathroom breaks. That's what you got to do for your work.

[zilla103192]

so wait, just because Huntie made a Godzilla fan film means that we are supposed to love it?

I'm sorry, no. Huntie is a decent suit maker... But the film wasn't anything THAT great. It actually bored me.

If you think that just because your husband made a movie, we should suck his balls over it, you are sadly mistaken. I am not gonna like a mediocre fan film just because the guy who made it and his wife can't take critcism.

Huntie should focus on suit making and taking them to G-fest.

[Godzilla 2000]

I think People wouldnt be so harsh with this movie if Huntie didnt blow up on people who said negative things about it. Or do you not know about his infamously brutal response to Matt Frank (one of his own friends) for bringing up some criticisms?

[NSZ]

I remember being left unimpressed. I mean sure, it was a great effort for a fan-film (and I mean that), but it didn't leave any lasting impact on me. (Fun Fact: Part 6 has been blocked by SME and EMI on YouTube)

Or do you not know about his infamously brutal response to Matt Frank (one of his own friends) for bringing up some criticisms?

Ooo, tell me more.

[Godzilla 2000]

I remember being left unimpressed. I mean sure, it was a great effort for a fan-film (and I mean that), but it didn't leave any lasting impact on me. (Fun Fact: Part 6 has been blocked by SME and EMI on YouTube)

Or do you not know about his infamously brutal response to Matt Frank (one of his own friends) for bringing up some criticisms?

Ooo, tell me more.

I personally didnt see/read it, and its been long since deleted, but apparently, he flipped his shit after Matt Frank made some criticisms and said some pretty nasty stuff in a youtube video.

[DaiKamonohashi]

Well, it seems that Kaiju killer has gotten mixed reviews. What's with some of the harsh criticism? Can't you be more constructive than negative? What do some of you have against Chris anyway?

Why? We gave him plenty of reasonable criticism over on Monster Zero and elsewhere and he just said we weren't allowed to judge him unless we were Martin Scorsese! And then afterwards he just defaulted to penis and poop jokes. Regardless of the quality of his work, when it comes to taking criticism your husband is, quite frankly, a tit. I can't speak for everyone but that's what I and several of my close colleagues at Lobsterdance have against him.

And yeah, I saw the video where he lambasted Matt for making some benign criticisms towards the film, which he was EXTREMELY kind towards otherwise! It was disgusting, childish, and one of the funniest things I've ever seen! I'd never been too hot on Kaiju Killer because it never looked my style at all but I'd always given Huntie the benefit of the doubt because I figured he and I were more or less in the same indie-toku boat - until I saw that video, anyway. He left a terrible taste in our mouths.

[DoctorMafune]

You're in the business of creating art and presenting it online where millions of people have access to and form an opinion of it. It doesn't matter whether you're making hollywood films. If you make something people are allowed to think whatever they want about it.

And of this motto; are you saying that only artists can form legitimate criticism of other artists and their work? can you define an artist for me? doesn't that seem incredibly elitist and unproductive to only consider the opinions of a select few you consider "worthy" of taking to heart? How is that any way to improve your skills?

I don't think she was saying that.

Why not give her a chance to answer one question (however rhetorical), before piling on more, based on some very negative assumptions?

FWIW, even if her husband has a hard time taking criticism (as posters who saw his YouTube response are claiming), I do agree that criticism from people who have themselves struggled to create something comparably challenging is often more valuable than criticism from people who haven't.

The latter has its value, too... especially when it's respectful and does take the challenges involved, into account. But all too often, it isn't respectful... it's just exaggeratedly negative and mean-spirited.

"The motto", just means it's far easier to criticise than it is to create

I agree.

And while I agree that a creator making something available online has to be able to take and benefit from criticism, I hope that the critics realize that it works both ways.

Most critiques say at least as much about the critic as the creation.

Yes, this one included.

[DaiKamonohashi]

FWIW, even if her husband has a hard time taking criticism (as posters who saw his YouTube response are claiming), I do agree that criticism from people who have themselves struggled to create something comparably challenging is often more valuable than criticism from people who haven't.

Speaking as someone who DOES create things comparably challenging, he doesn't listen to any of us either.

[DoctorMafune]

Speaking as someone who DOES create things comparably challenging, he doesn't listen to any of us either.

He should.

Lobsterdance Productions rock.

[omgitsgodzilla]

Taking the difficulties involved into account is important, but I think the criticism over the "Inter-Pole" thing is pretty justified. The only difficulties would have been hearing Interpol existed, or reading GvsMG's subtitles correctly.

[TokyoVigilante]

I don't think she was saying that.

Why not give her a chance to answer one question (however rhetorical), before piling on more, based on some very negative assumptions?

Pardon my long winded way of asking her to clarify, because I didn't really know what was she getting at. Vague mottos are funny like that.

FWIW, even if her husband has a hard time taking criticism (as posters who saw his YouTube response are claiming), I do agree that criticism from people who have themselves struggled to create something comparably challenging is often more valuable than criticism from people who haven't.

Valuable in that they can provide more specific advice, yes. But an informed person (like a film student, IE myself) will more then likely give the same basic criticism on the films technical aspects as someone who has produced a lot of material in comparison (like, say DaiKamonohashi or Chris55). General stuff like continuity, cutting on action, 180 degree rule, etc.

The latter has its value, too... especially when it's respectful and does take the challenges involved, into account. But all too often, it isn't respectful... it's just exaggeratedly negative and mean-spirited.

There's very little motivation to provide legitimate advice when the creator has a reputation for not giving a shit and being just as mean-spirited towards people who do provide that good criticism. A person takes the time to watch your creation, takes the time to formulate some advice for you to improve and the artist tells you you aren't good enough to help him. What the hell, man? Why would I bother trying to help someone who doesn't feel he needs it?

If DaiKamonohashi for example made some sort of ambitious production, I would gladly write essays for that dude because I know he's an upstanding guy who would be both appreciative and consider what I had to say, regardless of whether or not he thought I had any business telling him how to be better.

Basically, reputation counts.

[Chris55]

I don't think she was saying that.

Why not give her a chance to answer one question (however rhetorical), before piling on more, based on some very negative assumptions?

Pardon my long winded way of asking her to clarify, because I didn't really know what was she getting at. Vague mottos are funny like that.

FWIW, even if her husband has a hard time taking criticism (as posters who saw his YouTube response are claiming), I do agree that criticism from people who have themselves struggled to create something comparably challenging is often more valuable than criticism from people who haven't.

Valuable in that they can provide more specific advice, yes. But an informed person (like a film student, IE myself) will more then likely give the same basic criticism on the films technical aspects as someone who has produced a lot of material in comparison (like, say DaiKamonohashi or Chris55). General stuff like continuity, cutting on action, 180 degree rule, etc.

I don't know if I can be compared with Huntie. I had a full crew/makeup artist/assistants etc. He just had himself and one person holding a video camera.

[DaiKamonohashi]

We have four primary crew members including myself, which can sometimes be extended to ten or twelve on a shoot but that's mostly grunt work - only a couple of us actually know what we're doing. XD

That said, I've seen far better material created by one person without even another person on the camera.

[Chris55]

We have four primary crew members including myself, which can sometimes be extended to ten or twelve on a shoot but that's mostly grunt work - only a couple of us actually know what we're doing. XD

That said, I've seen far better material created by one person without even another person on the camera.

Link me to some of your work

[DaiKamonohashi]

http://vimeo.com/lobsterdance/videos

[Chris55]

http://vimeo.com/lobsterdance/videos

You got some good shit

SMALL snippet from my movie. Things to note:

-NO ADR in this clip. This is just production dialog.

-Music (official not placeholder) not mixed

http://vimeo.com/20222833

password:7777


If the guy in the green shirt looks familiar, you may have seen him in this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDQ8DNsvtmE

[DaiKamonohashi]

Well obviously I have no idea what's going on but it does look pretty, I'll give you that.

[Chris55]

Well obviously I have no idea what's going on but it does look pretty, I'll give you that.

Oh yeah, I did that clip for some company a while back. I didn't want to give anything away so I just picked up the end of the conversation.

[DoctorMafune]

But an informed person (like a film student, IE myself) will more then likely give the same basic criticism on the films technical aspects as someone who has produced a lot of material in comparison (like, say DaiKamonohashi or Chris55). General stuff like continuity, cutting on action, 180 degree rule, etc

There's very little motivation to provide legitimate advice when the creator has a reputation for not giving a shit and being just as mean-spirited towards people who do provide that good criticism. A person takes the time to watch your creation, takes the time to formulate some advice for you to improve and the artist tells you you aren't good enough to help him. What the hell, man? Why would I bother trying to help someone who doesn't feel he needs it?

It does sound like you would have a lot to offer.

As you say, though, not much point in trying if the creator isn't willing to listen.

Maybe if some of the people who don't have the training that you do, will shift more to, "I liked it / didn't like it, and here's why, as far as I can tell," instead of the way they often phrase their disapproval, fewer creators will have their "deflectors" up... hard to say.