CGI or rubber suits?

[Living Corpse]

I will be fine with CGI - as long as it's by Industrial Light & Magic or WETA.

And as long as he has character. They need to know that Godzilla is more then just a plot device, he has a personality.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Well, when they usually boast about good CGI now adays they do talk about how hard they work to imbue their creations with character. That is one good thing that practical and CGI effects artists have in common.

What really bothers me about an American production of Godzilla is the probable possibility of not hearing Godzilla's traditional theme music. When I heard Cloverfield's theme, Roar, it about turned my stomach. It sounded like it was mocking Goji's original theme. The director's commentary about how the monster was essentially his take on a Godzilla like monster did not make me feel any better.

There is also the possibility that the film makers might find it hard making a movie where the American humans essentially lose to a giant monster. That was the first thing that popped into my head after I saw GINO gunned down. It usually has to be straight up horror, where humans get cut up and vaporized, stuff that the audience is expected to see. Otherwise the humans must always find a way to save everybody and snuff the monster.

[Living Corpse]

There is also the possibility that the film makers might find it hard making a movie where the American humans essentially lose to a giant monster.

Yeah with America's giant monster films from the 50's and 60's it was always find a weakness or use bigger guns because they were just big animals. In Japan's monster films the monsters are basically natural disasters like a hurricane and they are pretty much helpless no matter what they throw.

I'm wondering what the general movie goer is gonna think if Godzilla just swims away at the end like he does in so many of his films and the "greatest invincible military power in teh woruld everz " not only failed to kill or stop him but have been left in shambles as molten slag from the events of the film. Cause you know, movie goers are used to films like ID4 and how they often show how the U.S. Army will "save the day."

This is of course assuming they do anything like this.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

That was one of the few things I liked about GINO, actually. People's semi-comedic reaction to a giant monster messing everything up.
Can you imagine them reacting the same way to Anguirus walking around New York and bumping into things? Or a worm guy type scientist saying "That's not true. We fed him!" That would be something cool to see to lighten the mood in a Godzilla movie.

[Living Corpse]

That was one of the few things I liked about GINO, actually. People's semi-comedic reaction to a giant monster messing everything up.
Can you imagine them reacting the same way to Anguirus walking around New York and bumping into things? Or a worm guy type scientist saying "That's not true. We fed him!" That would be something cool to see to lighten the mood in a Godzilla movie.

But they still killed GINO. They still treated it as just a big animal instead of a force of nature. But yes I do understand what your saying. I think it would have been better had they shot their missiles, hit him and everyone is smirking thinking it's done only for the wind to blow the smoke away and see him standing there unharmed. Now imagine the reactions and witty lines that would happen from that.

[MothraPeanuts]

People also just plain out say that CGI sucks. WTF? I can name multiple movies were the CGI beats all of the Godzilla movies out of the water.

In what way? In 'realism'? Perhaps, although that was never Tsuburaya's guiding philosophy in the first place. In creativity or craftsmanship? Hell no.

If done correctly, CGI looks great, but some people just can't grasp that concept.

"Hurr durr, I'm right and everyone who disagrees with me just doesn't get it!!!"

I think some people (not all, since I hope some of you guys agree) just need to grow up and realize that we're in a new era of technology and SFX and we can't keep sticking to the past.

"If you agree with me then you're cool, but those some people who don't agree with me need to grow up!" That's what you said.

And it's bullshit.

[Godzilla 2000]

Rubber suits are tradition, but CGI is his future in the US movie.

People need to get real.

[kaiju_wars]

Cause you know, movie goers are used to films like ID4 and how they often show how the U.S. Army will "save the day."

This is of course assuming they do anything like this.

That was the Air Force. THE U.S. AIR FORCE!!!!!

[Living Corpse]

Cause you know, movie goers are used to films like ID4 and how they often show how the U.S. Army will "save the day."

This is of course assuming they do anything like this.

That was the Air Force. THE U.S. AIR FORCE!!!!!

You say that like I should care.

[kaiju_wars]

Cause you know, movie goers are used to films like ID4 and how they often show how the U.S. Army will "save the day."

This is of course assuming they do anything like this.

That was the Air Force. THE U.S. AIR FORCE!!!!!

You say that like I should care.

Yep.
Naw, I just have grown to respect the Air Force, when I joined AFJROTC at my high school, I wanted to join.

But I can't, because I grew up taking ADHD medicine and I have asthma... so yeah.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

That was one of the few things I liked about GINO, actually. People's semi-comedic reaction to a giant monster messing everything up.
Can you imagine them reacting the same way to Anguirus walking around New York and bumping into things? Or a worm guy type scientist saying "That's not true. We fed him!" That would be something cool to see to lighten the mood in a Godzilla movie.

But they still killed GINO. They still treated it as just a big animal instead of a force of nature. But yes I do understand what your saying. I think it would have been better had they shot their missiles, hit him and everyone is smirking thinking it's done only for the wind to blow the smoke away and see him standing there unharmed. Now imagine the reactions and witty lines that would happen from that.

You're right. Actually, I think I just realized what typ of tone I would want in a new Godzilla movie.
Basically how they reacted to Godzilla in Godzilla 1985, but softened with comedic reactions and antics from humans, like how Animal chased the monster, heedless of the danger, and the worm guy, the only one that understands the monster, who just happens to be the guy that no one takes seriously. They kind of attempted this kind of humor with the bum in Godzilla 1985, but it just got lost in all the dark and dire situations, as well as Raymond Burr's ominous lines and screen presence. Personally, when I saw the end of Godzilla KOTM, I bought the explanation about never finding a body. The bones in the neck seemed way too thin when Godzilla was skeletonized, so I thought how cool would it have been if what we saw sink to the bottom of the harbor was just some outer carapace and not the beast's actual skeleton?
The seemingly armored nature of the monster would back that idea up.

[Living Corpse]

Oh gawed the bum in ROG was the best character by far and that's not a knock at the main actors, I mean he was just one of the guys who steals the spotlight in every scene he's in like M-11 does in GvKG or the Xalien kid and Don do in GFW. I was kinda pissed the bum got killed since he was there to lighten the mood of a very dark film, not to mention he helped some main characters get out of a building but I guess they did it to show anyone can die in that film.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Yeah, I have a fantasy where the third generation of TransFormers Decepticons, Trypticon and all of the Combiners, lead by crazy ass Galvatron throw down with Godzilla in a populated city.
I pictured Godzilla giving the smaller gestalts a major thumping, but Galvatron himself being surprisingly formidable, flying around and and taking shots at Godzilla while it is occupied with his minions. It would have been cool if the tiny supposedly all powerful Xalien leader had done something similar, only to be KO'ed when Godzilla threw Monster-X or Gigan into him.

[Killswitch]

After seeing Kong vs V-Rex, why in the world would you want to go back to the rubber suit days?

Imagine how fluid KG would look in CGI? Three heads, the wings etc. It would be great! Time to move forward.

[Tyler]

A combo of CGI and suites like Gamera 3 would be epic now that I think of it.

Especially with a Hollywood level budget.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

That's just the problem with CGI though. It tends to be unnaturally fluid. With that method of animation, a simple thing like shaking or waving fur in the wind becomes nearly impossible to maintain. You can even see it at points in King Kong o5 when he is climbing around the top of the Empire State Building. That small defect is why the large bugs that were crawling all over Adrian Brody were done better IMHO. Where the hell were their priorities? As for King Ghidorah, CGI has its work cut out for it in accurately emulating the haphazard way the puppeteer-ed heads of the monster writhed around. That was part of what made the monster so menacing, you could not tell when it was focused on a target until it was about to fire its gravity beams at it. I saw the CGI used for Ghidorah in GMK, and I was not a fan.

Also, knowing how CGI artists tend to emulate the movements of actual animals for monsters, I bet that King Ghidorah's heads would probably move like anacondas attached to an ostrich's body. I dunno, maybe that would look cool!

[Godzilla 2000]

I saw the CGI used for Ghidorah in GMK, and I was not a fan.

Oh, you mean the old and outdated CGI from 2001?



You guys need to get real.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

yeah, the old and outdated CGI from 2001 that at least should have looked as good as the old and outdated CGI method used in Jurassic Park way back in 1993.

[therealmccoy]

yeah, the old and outdated CGI from 2001 that at least should have looked as good as the old and outdated CGI method used in Jurassic Park way back in 1993.

I don't believe they had that kind of a budget.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Well this movie certainly did not have a big budget either, but its CGI still managed to look more passable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpP7wSw9nww

And strangely enough, GMK probably had the best practical effects out of the modern Godzilla movies as well. I mean that there were many times where the crumbling or exploding miniature buildings looked realistic, as well as the pyrotechnics when it came time for Goji to toast the military. Let it be known that I am all for good CGI used to depict Godzilla. It just must be convincing, with no animation flubs.