CGI or rubber suits?

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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Tyler » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:37 pm

SaiyanRider54 wrote:What scene in the movie used that suit?


I think you can see it burst out a building and swipe a helicopter.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby kaiju_wars » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:01 pm

Tyler wrote:
SaiyanRider54 wrote:What scene in the movie used that suit?


I think you can see it burst out a building and swipe a helicopter.



Wasn't it used for when GINO ate the fish, or roared at Tatopolous, or was it when he bit the truck?
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Tyler » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:04 pm

kaiju_wars wrote:Wasn't it used for when GINO ate the fish, or roared at Tatopolous, or was it when he bit the truck?


I think that was the big torso puppet.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby kaiju_wars » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:10 pm

Tyler wrote:
kaiju_wars wrote:Wasn't it used for when GINO ate the fish, or roared at Tatopolous, or was it when he bit the truck?


I think that was the big torso puppet.



Yeah, I meant to say, didn't they use a suit or puppet, or something besides CGI for those scenes.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby GodzillaIsCool » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:45 pm

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51461

aintitcoolnews is stating the same rumor. We need Bob Egglington to confirm that this statue is similar to what he saw.

Like the article says, they are BASING it off of this statue. Using the guy to work for them.

Man in suit seems HIGHLY unlikely. However it would save them a ton of money. I think. (?)
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby JVM » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:43 pm

Infamous Kidd is an incredibly unreliable website run by a bunch of liars. Shame Ain't It Cool is believing this shit.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Rody » Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:49 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing Godzilla as CGI, but it would be sad if suitmation was eliminated. It's part of Godzilla's charm.
BTW, I don't think that model looks that good anyway.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby kaiju_wars » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:00 pm

Rody wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing Godzilla as CGI, but it would be sad if suitmation was eliminated. It's part of Godzilla's charm.
BTW, I don't think that model looks that good anyway.



I have to agree with you on that one. I will be a little disappointed if they cut suitmation entirely. That is one of the things that made Godzilla... Godzilla.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Tyler » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:56 pm

I've read about how they're creating the Lizard for The Amazing Spider-Man aaand I think they should do that with Godzilla here.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Gojira-Fan » Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:52 pm

GodzillaIsCool wrote:http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51461

aintitcoolnews is stating the same rumor. We need Bob Egglington to confirm that this statue is similar to what he saw.

Like the article says, they are BASING it off of this statue. Using the guy to work for them.

Man in suit seems HIGHLY unlikely. However it would save them a ton of money. I think. (?)


If man in a suit is done properly, I think the mainstream audience wouldn't even care.

Though I don't like that design of Godzilla.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Rody » Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:47 am

Neither do I. It looks ugly.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Godzilla99 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:17 pm

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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Living Corpse » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:57 pm

And thus the vicious cycle repeats itself again. :roll:
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby SaiyanRider54 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:04 pm

I'm gonna say this again. I think this movie should be CGI, but if LP were to use practicle effects (which they aren't) than I can accept it aslong as it looks good. But why do so many people beleive that Godzilla can't be CGI or it will suck? I've seen posts saying that the LP movie will fail JUST because it'll bee CG. WTF? CGI is not what screwed up GINO. GINO failed because...
-It was nothing like the original (plot wise)
-GINO looks NOTHING like Godzilla
-GINO acted NOTHING like Godzilla
-The movie just sucked overall when your not even counting that its a Godzilla movie.
Those are some reasons it sucked, not JUST because it was CGI.
Some people also say that CGI is "lazy" and "unartistic." Well, you know what, one name of a movie completely destroys those statements: Avatar. That movie was had some of the greatest and most beutiful CG I've ever seen.
People also just plain out say that CGI sucks. WTF? I can name multiple movies were the CGI beats all of the Godzilla movies out of the water. If done correctly, CGI looks great, but some people just can't grasp that concept.
I think some people (not all, since I hope some of you guys agree) just need to grow up and realize that we're in a new era of technology and SFX and we can't keep sticking to the past.

Sorry if I sound kinda mean here but this is my honest opinion.
EDIT: I love my G suits, don't get me wrong. I just thing that Godzilla can do just fine as CGI.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Living Corpse » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:08 pm

I think the best results will be had if we use a combination of both.

But we all know it's just gonna be CGI so whatever. As long as Godzilla has some character and is pulled off well enough that it looks and feels like him then I'm A OKAY with that.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby SaiyanRider54 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:11 pm

Living Corpse wrote:I think the best results will be had if we use a combination of both.But we all know it's just gonna be CGI so whatever. As long as Godzilla has some character and is pulled off well enough that it looks and feels like him then I'm A OKAY with that.

A combo of CGI and suites like Gamera 3 would be epic now that I think of it.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby XxComablack1937xX » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:03 pm

Don't personally care as long as it looks an act's like Godzilla.

If it's a suit great, If it's pure CGI great, an if it's a combo of both then great... Just make it look good an act like our traditional Godzilla an i'll be happy.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Bentley » Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:14 pm

I wouldn't mind to see Godzilla films using CGI.

But Godzilla is the perfect excuse to use suit animations, tiny models and camera tricks. This is classic cinema that we're talking about and it shouldn't just dissapear for good.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:20 pm

You are right about CGI being perfectly acceptable way to do Godzilla..... to a point.
Ever since I first saw the CGI T-Rex from Jurassic Park, that moment where it breaks down the fence and steps through, and then walks into the headlights of the park vehicle, looking totally real and indistinguishable from the practical effects intertwined with the next shots, I was convinced that CGI can look real.

And then they did it again in 'Zilla1998, this time enlarged to Kaiju size.

But that quality has spoiled me, and anything less, with tell-tale excessive blurring or bad physics in the movements of the characters just won't work for me. It's just as hard as trying to ignore the jerkiness in stopmotion. After all these years we still see animation flubs like this in movies.

Avatar is just one of many brilliant exceptions though where they can once more fool us into thinking what we see looks and moves real. There's Gollum, the watcher in The Water and the Balrog from LOTR. Octalus from Deep Rising, the Cloverfield monster and others that look real enough.

It's just those jarring moments that break the illusion that movies using CGI tend to have every so often. It assaults the illusion of reality and sets the effect apart from the live action. When you have a concrete suit actor or prop, you never have to worry about it suddenly moving in a way that looks unnatural, like it is not really there. They are there, they move, they make expressions all in real time, the illusion is seamless when it works. Just look at what was done with Aliens, the early TNMT movies and other works by Jim Henson's creature shop, as well as others. Compared to the illusion of life that those put across, Always 2's type of CGI won't cut it for me. Its gotta be Avatar, Gollum, FFAdventChildren, GINO animation quality or bust for me. If it is that consistent, then I support CGI all the way.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Rody » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:25 pm

I will be fine with CGI - as long as it's by Industrial Light & Magic or WETA.
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