Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

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Should the Fantasy Matches forum require membership to a Usergroup to post in?

Poll ended at Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:15 pm

Yes, the FM's should become a usergroup.
26
57%
No, the FM's should not become a usergroup.
10
22%
No, Remove the FM's altogether.
5
11%
I have no comment or opinion on the matter.
5
11%
 
Total votes : 46

Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby JVM » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:15 pm

Because people keep suggesting it but there hasn't been a thread about it in a long time. Ends in two weeks, and get on discussin' the issue.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby therealmccoy » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:10 pm

In the Whine Thread, I wrote:Make it a usergroup. Who gives a shit? People act like there's a wino walking into a five-star restaurant with this shit. It's not like people are slapping the more active posters there in the face by making dumb matches. People act like the FMs have some imaginary majestic reputation to uphold. I just think it's stupid to make it a usergroup because somebody makes a few/several matches that don't follow the rules that can easily be, you know, ignored.


Again I say, I don't even give a shit anymore. This always only seems to come up when somebody like Berserk999 or whoever makes a bunch of matches that don't follow the rules. It's a convenient argument and nothing more. Nothing more besides annoying. I like the FMs. I'd join the usergroup. But people know who make bad matches. People who make the FMs something they really like to do know what matches are lop-sided or not. Stay away from them. Post and have fun in the good matches, and the shitty ones will magically start moving to the bottom of the page. I've seen it happen. There are no matches by Berserk on the front page now. Or, like I said, talk to the staff and actually do something about it instead of throwing a fit every time somebody makes a dumb match.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:22 pm

Make the FMs a Usergroup. It worked very well on the old forums, and could easily work here.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby Inferno Rodan » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:43 pm

therealmccoy wrote:This always only seems to come up when somebody like Berserk999 or whoever makes a bunch of matches that don't follow the rules. It's a convenient argument and nothing more.

Well yeah. Issues tend to be brought up for discussion when they become more prevalent. That's kinda how things work.

I voted yes. It's a solution that's proven effective already, so I see no reason it shouldn't be reinstated.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby therealmccoy » Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:08 pm

Inferno Rodan wrote:
therealmccoy wrote:This always only seems to come up when somebody like Berserk999 or whoever makes a bunch of matches that don't follow the rules. It's a convenient argument and nothing more.

Well yeah. Issues tend to be brought up for discussion when they become more prevalent. That's kinda how things work.

I voted yes. It's a solution that's proven effective already, so I see no reason it shouldn't be reinstated.

For bigger, more important situations, yeah. For FMs, not a big deal.

I voted yes too; not because I want it, but because I'm sick of hearing people whining about it.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby Svitska Donkun » Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:14 pm

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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby GojiFan » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:31 pm

therealmccoy wrote:
In the Whine Thread, I wrote:Make it a usergroup. Who gives a shit? People act like there's a wino walking into a five-star restaurant with this shit. It's not like people are slapping the more active posters there in the face by making dumb matches. People act like the FMs have some imaginary majestic reputation to uphold. I just think it's stupid to make it a usergroup because somebody makes a few/several matches that don't follow the rules that can easily be, you know, ignored.


Again I say, I don't even give a shit anymore. This always only seems to come up when somebody like Berserk999 or whoever makes a bunch of matches that don't follow the rules. It's a convenient argument and nothing more. Nothing more besides annoying. I like the FMs. I'd join the usergroup. But people know who make bad matches. People who make the FMs something they really like to do know what matches are lop-sided or not. Stay away from them. Post and have fun in the good matches, and the shitty ones will magically start moving to the bottom of the page. I've seen it happen. There are no matches by Berserk on the front page now. Or, like I said, talk to the staff and actually do something about it instead of throwing a fit every time somebody makes a dumb match.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby therealmccoy » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:52 pm

I've found that, in regards to people that make little responses like that, if the next poster actually posts a real reason for their decision, they'll either spark a decently well-thought out response from the other, or they will shut up and not post again. When surrounded with much more complex posts, those people will feel out of place. I understand full what you are saying. Me personally, I'm not a huge poster like you and several others. I state who I think would win and why, and possibly some examples and that's it. People that make unintelligent statements like that don't really bother me. That being said, whether my opinion matters or not since I'm not largely active there is open for debate. I'm just tired of hearing the BS. It always comes around when somebody makes a few/several bad matches. That can be very annoying, yes, but when it dies down, it's over and forgotten. Nobody brings it up anymore, the argument basically all but disappears. It's a convenient argument. I voted yes. But in my opinion, this needs to go to the staff instead of being largely out in the open here starting a bunch of pissing matches, which I'm surprised hasn't happened yet.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby Legionmaster » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:11 pm

therealmccoy wrote:this needs to go to the staff

*is posted in the comments, suggestions, submissions subforum*

At this point, yes, or have a dedicated Mod for the section. The smoothest the FMs have ever run in the history of TK have had either of those attributes.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby therealmccoy » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:14 pm

Legionmaster wrote:
therealmccoy wrote:this needs to go to the staff

*is posted in the comments, suggestions, submissions subforum*

At this point, yes, or have a dedicated Mod for the section. The smoothest the FMs have ever run in the history of TK have had either of those attributes.

At least you half-way saw my point. For some reason I wasn't paying attention to the section. But I was talking about like a PM or something. I thought that would be quicker; but I guess you don't want to spam the staff's in-boxes.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby Hellspawn28 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:37 am

The FM's are not as active then they used on the old forums and I would normally say no but I think we can have one just in case. I remember when I lurk the forums a long time ago on the old forums that the FM end up getting a user group because we had some many bad threads from what I can remember.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby Showa Gyaos » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:27 pm

This shit again? Ugh....I'll vote. This argument is brought up most often on these boards. -_-
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby JVM » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:05 pm

Showa Gyaos wrote:This shit again? Ugh....I'll vote. This argument is brought up most often on these boards. -_-

I don't give a skreeonk either, but people whine about it in the Whine Thread so often I figured we can either kill it here, or have it finally happen.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:28 pm

JVM wrote:
Showa Gyaos wrote:This shit again? Ugh....I'll vote. This argument is brought up most often on these boards. -_-

I don't give a skreeonk either, but people whine about it in the Whine Thread so often I figured we can either kill it here, or have it finally happen.


As long as its not a usergroup, it will always come up.

Not sure why you care so much, though.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby 3000 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:46 pm

JVM wrote:
Showa Gyaos wrote:This shit again? Ugh....I'll vote. This argument is brought up most often on these boards. -_-

I don't give a skreeonk either, but people whine about it in the Whine Thread so often I figured we can either kill it here, or have it finally happen.

You cared enough to make a topic about it.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby Tyler » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:51 pm

I say get rid of it just to see what happens.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby Gawdziller » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:54 pm

Tyler wrote:I say get rid of it just to see what happens.



Wasn't that an April Fool gag a few years ago?

I think I remember that.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby Hellspawn28 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:55 pm

^Yes, I remember when Vega remove the Fantasy Matches back in 2009 as a April Fools joke.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby JVM » Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:57 pm

3000 wrote:
JVM wrote:
Showa Gyaos wrote:This shit again? Ugh....I'll vote. This argument is brought up most often on these boards. -_-

I don't give a skreeonk either, but people whine about it in the Whine Thread so often I figured we can either kill it here, or have it finally happen.

You cared enough to make a topic about it.

Bad wording on my part (as usual) - I don't really care much about the FM's themselves, but I do care about the debate cropping up repeatedly. I'd kind of just like it either to become a usergroup already, or for the admins/mods to put their foot down and say no.
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Re: Fantasy Matches Usergroup Discussion

Postby wataru » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:57 am

It's easier to ignore a thread with people bitching about the FMs then to make another thread and defend your "not caring" stance.
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