Should Millennium saga continue?

[Brian4205]

I personally feel that when they decide to make a new film, it should be a new series, buuuuuuut, it would make sense to also keep them as part of the Millennium saga. I was also thinking that if the new saga decided to follow an established timeline, such as say, the Kiyru saga, then maybe it would be something like the Kiyru Series.


So what do you guy's think?

[Legion1979]

Millennium SAGA? What's that?

Listen, the "Millennium Series" is a name giving to the six Godzilla films made between 1999 and 2004. Nothing more. It doesn't apply to any other monster film. Just the six Toho Godzilla films from G2K to GFW. That series is over. Thus, so is the Millennium series.

[Hellspawn28]

I think the Millennium series is done and over with. I think if Toho ever does another movie, it will be called something. By then, I think it will be named after the new era that is going on in Japan.

[Tohosaurus]

I'd like a new series, not that it really matters. Toho can reboot Godzilla and take Godzilla into a new generation. There aren't many good reasons (IMO) for them to play off of the old Millennium series.

[Legion1979]

I'd like a new series, not that it really matters. Toho can reboot Godzilla and take Godzilla into a new generation. There aren't many good reasons (IMO) for them to play off of the old Millennium series.

Considering the majority of the Millennium films were NOT box office hits (GxM did very poor business and GFW bombed outright) why would Toho want to go back to this series?

[Jomei]

It seems like the real topic here is, "OP wants more Kiryu films."

I say not likely and no thanks.

[Tohosaurus]

Considering the majority of the Millennium films were NOT box office hits (GxM did very poor business and GFW bombed outright) why would Toho want to go back to this series?

Exactly. To borrow my own quote: There aren't many good reasons (IMO) for them to play off of the old Millennium series.

[therealmccoy]

No. Start all over. If anything, stay as far away from the millennium series as possible. I don't know about anybody else, but I found it freakin' annoying the way they made every movie except the Kiryu movies stand alone movies. They had to retell the story of Godzilla every damn movie, and it was a little different every time. I liked the continuity of the Heisei series. Maybe not make it as close as that, but anything more than what we got from '99-'04.

[JVM]

There is no Millennium series. It's just a term to refer collectively to the 1999 - 2004 Godzilla films, but they don't fit together in any way - there is no true series going on here. Honestly, might as well call it the Wastebasket series considering all but Tokyo SOS are standalone films. (Been a while since I saw GxM but I remember it standing on it's own quite well without SOS.)

[JoshK]

I love the Millennium series. They are actually what drew me back to Godzilla in the first place. In fact, it is the only series I have complete so far, as of yesterday.

Each series has its pains. For example, the Showa series would keep re-doing King Ghidorah, then later Mechagodzilla.

Though, I wish Final Wars continued from Tokyo SOS. I really felt GAM and SOS were really starting to hit a grove, that was just left unsatisfied with FW.

All in all, I felt the bulk of the Millenium films were better than all of the Heisei era films made after Biollante. I just think the Millennium films started sluggish with Godzilla 2000 and ended quite disappointingly with Final Wars.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

I really felt GAM and SOS were really starting to hit a grove, that was just left unsatisfied with FW.

I agree with this. GxMG isn't perfect, but I thought SOS rose above much of the Hesei and Millenium films to present the blend of wonder and sophistication, sci-fi action and fantasy emotion, of the early Showa films. No, it's not as good Mothra or the like (the characterizations are still a bit weak for those comparisons), but it could have been a promising start to an ongoing series.

[therealmccoy]

I think they closed out those two films pretty well, but as I said before: one of the things I enjoyed about the Heisei series was the loose continuity. Maybe not another Kiryu film, but instead of starting each film over from scratch, I would have liked to have seen them all in the same timeline.

[TheSecondComing]

Why continue something that, in large part, wasn't successful?

[Cimmerian Dragon]

^From an economic standpoint, there is little reason to do so, and so it is unreasonable to expect Toho to have continued down that road. From a purely subjective standpoint, as a fan of the Kiryu films, I would have liked to have seen more done in that continuity.

[Tohosaurus]

^From an economic standpoint, there is little reason to do so, and so it is unreasonable to expect Toho to have continued down that road. From a purely subjective standpoint, as a fan of the Kiryu films, I would have liked to have seen more done in that continuity.

I agree completely. I liked the Kiryu film duo and would've much rather had a third film from that universe than Final Wars, but that ship has come and gone. As has been said, there is little reason for Toho to build off of one of the Millennium movies (except a passing comment in the dialogue or whatever). Despite six movies, Toho only made about $95 million (total, that's not profit with budgets factored in or anything). Even the pile of crap out-of-nowhere D-War has made $75 million (again, not profit). That's not comparing marketing and advertising differences, especially internationally, and other things I'm not factoring in, but I digress.

The answer for the next generation of Godzilla movies is probably not just fattening the budgets for these movies. We had that proven in spades with the Heisei films. It's about skill and execution. Look at other foreign movies that did more with less. The Gamera trilogy all had lower budgets; The Godzilla movies from that time period made more money, but that's more about Godzilla's cash-in status in comparison. No one that's a fan of these sorts of movies (or traditional critics) will argue the Gamera films were worse. Movies like Iris and the much newer Troll Hunter rely heavily on CGI for their special effects, but with their quality it turned out very well. Toho just needs to do Godzilla right. Special effects are just one thing. More important are the scripts and like which make the movie great in the first place. I've called for more originality and special effects updates for a while now, but again it takes skill. Toho's CGI is often lacking.

[Tyler]

I don't think it's their own CGI. Don't they get other companies to do those things? I could be wrong because this is an American example but Fox released Rise of the Planet of the Apes but Weta did the effects. Maybe it's the same with recent Godzilla films.

[Tohosaurus]

I don't think it's their own CGI. Don't they get other companies to do those things? I could be wrong because this is an American example but Fox released Rise of the Planet of the Apes but Weta did the effects. Maybe it's the same with recent Godzilla films.

Yeah, and someone else did Transformer's special effects, so that's a possibility depending upon cost. Unfortunately, cost is probably a problem.

[Koumori-Otoko]

In all honesty, it has to be a new series. More of a chance to try something new, and since it's been seven years since GFW, it would be weird to consider it part of the "Millennium Series".

[o.supreme]

It almost seems like a trend to leave each series unresolved.

TOMG- Godzilla goes off into the Ocean alive & Well, but never to be seen again
G vs Destroyah- Godzilla Jr. Absorbs all radiation and grown finally into a new Adult Godzilla
Tokyo SOS (Godzilla is sent back to the depths with Kiryu, but the mystery of the Godzilla DNA at the end it unresolved) (I dont count Final Wars because it was unrelated to anything else)

I think it would be interesting if Toho would go back and maybe do one more movie for each series to "tie up" loose ends (If anything the new Ultra movies show us that Showa era suits can be recreated and that style of film making supplemented with a little CG can be quite fun). But I seriously doubt it.

Starting fresh would be best, and not even immidiately after LP Godzilla comes out (success or failure) I think Toho should wait before capitalizing on it.

[Tohosaurus]

It almost seems like a trend to leave each series unresolved.

TOMG- Godzilla goes off into the Ocean alive & Well, but never to be seen again
G vs Destroyah- Godzilla Jr. Absorbs all radiation and grown finally into a new Adult Godzilla
Tokyo SOS (Godzilla is sent back to the depths with Kiryu, but the mystery of the Godzilla DNA at the end it unresolved) (I dont count Final Wars because it was unrelated to anything else)

I think it would be interesting if Toho would go back and maybe do one more movie for each series to "tie up" loose ends (If anything the new Ultra movies show us that Showa era suits can be recreated and that style of film making supplemented with a little CG can be quite fun). But I seriously doubt it.

Starting fresh would be best, and not even immidiately after LP Godzilla comes out (success or failure) I think Toho should wait before capitalizing on it.

Those are generally good endings. Not every movie has to tie up each little odd and end for the viewer. Half the win is for them to get people to talk about the movie.