Gamera 3 - The Negatives

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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby Showa Gyaos » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:31 pm

Arrow wrote:
FlawedCoil82 wrote:"Gamera 4"? I haven't seen that (unless you mean "Gamera: The Brave", in which it's fatal flaw was a cute monster versus a mean (pretty awesome looking) one.

Gamera: the Brave was released in 2006 by Kadokawa and the only studio-released Gamera film released this decade. It was a return to the Showa Gamera-style, and non-canon to the Heisei Gamera Trilogy, but didn't do well at the box office.

Gamera 4 is a fan film taking place after Gamera 3.

I just want to point something out: Gamera 3 didn't do so well in the box office, either.

On topic: I feel that the third and final Gamera movie was extremely dissatisfying. The plot focuses more on the human characters than the actual trials Gamera faced in this movie. I tried time and time again to find something that I could appreciate in G3, but to no avail. I also believed that turning Gamera into a monster (the souless eyes, lack of personality, etc.) was the worst decision made by Daiei. If they wanted to appeal to the children in some way, this redesigned Gamera was a shitty way to make it "child-friendly."

EDIT: Added quotation marks beside "child-friendly."
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby Arrow » Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:20 pm

Showa Gyaos wrote:I just want to point something out: Gamera 3 didn't do so well in the box office, either.

I never said Gamera 3 did well at the box office in that post. I thought both movies were pretty good, and world's better than anything Godzilla was doing (though I enjoy GMK more than Gamera the Brave).
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:45 pm

So what was the deal with the amulet of Iris reacting when what's her name stole it and chanted something about a god before going splat from the two kaiju falling on top of her?


Sorry if this has been answered before, and thanks in advance.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby Legionmaster » Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:55 pm

Living Corpse wrote:So what was the deal with the amulet of Iris reacting when what's her name stole it and chanted something about a god before going splat from the two kaiju falling on top of her?


Sorry if this has been answered before, and thanks in advance.

She wanted to be the one to fuse with Irys. But the way the film is set up, it's very clear that Irys only has intentions to fuse with Ayana.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby Living Corpse » Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:02 am

Oh, I see now.


I kinda wish Iris did fuse with Ayana. The film pretty much says that once he does he will mutate into another form that could destroy the world and I'm really curious as to what his final form would have been like, what it looks like, what powers it has, how strong it is.

Who knows, maybe Iris's new form would have been more dangerous then Legion herself.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby Spirit Ghidorah 2010 » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:25 am

G3 kicked ass. Y'all just blowing it out of proportion.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby g2kmaster » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:33 am

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bananaoil wrote:Who the hell is Kurata speaking to at the end when he's yammering on about "your family was once of the house of Gyaos but your blood is now weak." Was he talking to Asakura, who was attempting to fuse with Iris, or was he talking to Nagamine, who seems to have a connection to the Gyaos through her research? I would think it's more likely that Kurata was talking to Asakura considering the context, but the rant is so long and muddled and, if memory serves, it follows something Nagamine said, that I don't know who he's talking to. Can anyone clear this up for me?

He might have been talking to Iris itself, considering it's supposed to be a mutated Gyaos. I dunno, I've never watched it subbed and I don't recall the dub having any line like that.


...what I got from it was that he was talking to Asakura, because she was like some kind of priestess or something and tried to fuse with Iris and all that. Like she thought that she would be able to because of her family's position and relation to Gyaos/Iris or whatever, but she couldn't.


This. This is correct. A thing that backs up this idea is that Asakura seems to have a more than normal knowledge of the "I, Ching" (ADV's sub and dub refers to this as the "Book of Changes", a real nick name for the book, like how the Bible is also called the "good book"). Hell, a room in the Kyoto JR with rune markings and such is enough to show how core into the religion she is.

Living Corpse wrote:I kinda wish Iris did fuse with Ayana. The film pretty much says that once he does he will mutate into another form that could destroy the world and I'm really curious as to what his final form would have been like, what it looks like, what powers it has, how strong it is.

Who knows, maybe Iris's new form would have been more dangerous then Legion herself.


That's an interesting idea I never considered. Maybe he would look more like a phoenix once he made the fusion? All I know though is that I would have liked - if it came to pass - that Iris' final transformation be more Akira-like. People keep on saying how much of an anime feel this film has and well, Akira has the best transformation sequence I have seen in terms of look and utter wtf-ness while still being cool, so yeah.

Without quoting, again, I would like to point out that while not as good as the Mothra films, Gamera 3 and the Gamera trilogy in general did make some proffit at the box office. It made back it's budget and more and along with the exhibits and insane amount of merchandise released (especialy in G3's case), I think it did very well.

As for Gamera being child-friendly, I think that was something that Daiei mandated with each film though after G1 Daiei kind of loosened up once G1 became an box office and critical success. And even with Gamera becomming more, and more darker with each film, the kids still liked it (as shown on the premire vids on the ADV DVDs). However, Gamera still showed personality in G3. Gammy durring the Shinjuku scenes was more vicious in his body language than say Godzilla taking on the Super X in Godzilla 1984. And at the end, he showed some emotion especialy when bringing Ayana back to the main female cast. That was particularly nice and exhibited the use of Minogame mythos (notice how Gamera seems to understand the humans, that's is a trait of the Minogame after it grows to be 1,000 years old). Atleast he is human friendly.

This is just me though.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby tokyostateofmind » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:55 am

I retract any qualms I have this movie. I have been watching it lately and everything seems to fit the film, may not to the viewer, but within the movie from the music to the drama, it all seems to work.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby Living Corpse » Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:43 pm

The final fight could have been done better. In the air it was amazing but on the ground there really wasn't anything note worthy except for when Iris blocked several fireballs from an airborn Gamera, stole Gamera's powers, and the plasma fist that used to kill Iris. Really the highlight of the film for me is when Gamera spins into Iris and cuts into him like a saw and Iris blasts him with sonic cutters, causing blood to hit the screen. At least his sonic cutters can cut into Gamera, the Gayos can't even do that now. It just bounces off him.

Another thing that bugs me is are long periods without fighting. Now before you get on my case, this works for the first half of the film, lets us know the humans and builds up suspense until Gamera and Gayos show up and it's a blast. Gamera looks like something out of a nightmare and while some people don't like the G3 design you gotta admit that it kinda works for the themes in this movie because as far as most people are concerned in all three films, not just this one, Gamera is a threat.

The fact that he pretty much knows he can't save everyone and must make some sacrifices in order to keep the Gayos from getting out of hand only fuels peoples misunderstanding of him and further mistake him for a villain. But the long periods only work for the first half of the film. The second half it's just you waiting, and waiting after seeing an amazing scene that get's you pumped up for more. Then comes the awesome air battle, then comes the way too slow ground fight that really doesn't seem all that great except for the things I mentioned earlier.

Still, overall it's a great film. Not the best but it has it's moments, where G1 is a 4 out of 5, G2 is a 5 out of 5, G3 is a 4.5 out of 5.

I also like how Iris is hinted to have another form if he absorbs Ayna, maybe he would look more like a Phonix(SP?) and that there is supposedly two other guardian monsters we haven't seen, a tiger of the west and a dragon of the east. The cliffhanger ending is dissapointing at first but then you see you can end however you want. Maybe Gamera died. Or maybe the other two guardian monsters woke up and helped him. Who knows, it's up to you the viewer.


Gamera 3 has it's flaws, no doubt about that but it's still a great film.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby Rody » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:54 pm

It's been a while since I saw it, but I'll give my 2 cents.

When watching G3, I found the mythical stuff very confusing. I like Irys to have some ambiguity to its origin, but it was written a little poorly.

It's nice to see Osako again, but he doesn't really do anything. Asakura & Kurata don't do much either, although they may have worked better had they been combined into one character.

I actually don't remember the ground battle very much - perhaps partly because it was boring, but probably mostly because the focus was on the human characters. For that reason, I can't really complain.

Climax - Okay, so Gamera could have shot Irys at point blank range, but what's the fun in that? It's not dramatic enough. I really liked that fight, because it was unique. The previous two films ended the battle with standard finisher-type moves. Granted, the Mana beam is cool, but in G3, you're not quite sure how it's going to end, and it plays out very nicely.

I really need to see these movies again. I need a Blu-Ray player, i guess. :(
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:27 am

G3 - The Negative.

I wish we saw the final battle with the Gyaos.

Basically, the only problem I have with Gamera 3 is that it ended.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby KaijuSapian » Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:14 am

Cimmerian Dragon wrote:G3 - The Negative.

I wish we saw the final battle with the Gyaos.

Basically, the only problem I have with Gamera 3 is that it ended.


...it ended too early you mean to say. Or that's what I'm guessing. All movies, rather all stories (and pretty much everything imaginable) ends at some point or another.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:55 am

Its a little slow and i hate cliffhangers,thats it.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby Rody » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:56 am

I originally didn't like the cliffhanger ending, but it's grown on me. It gives this ominous feeling of doom, saying the fight isn't over.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:35 pm

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Cimmerian Dragon wrote:G3 - The Negative.

I wish we saw the final battle with the Gyaos.

Basically, the only problem I have with Gamera 3 is that it ended.


...it ended too early you mean to say. Or that's what I'm guessing. All movies, rather all stories (and pretty much everything imaginable) ends at some point or another.


No. :sigh:

That was deliberate hyperbole intended to make apparent just how goddamn much I love that movie, the implication being that I could have continued to watch it indefinitely.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby KaijuSapian » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:22 pm

Cimmerian Dragon wrote:
KaijuSapian wrote:
Cimmerian Dragon wrote:G3 - The Negative.

I wish we saw the final battle with the Gyaos.

Basically, the only problem I have with Gamera 3 is that it ended.


...it ended too early you mean to say. Or that's what I'm guessing. All movies, rather all stories (and pretty much everything imaginable) ends at some point or another.


No. :sigh:

That was deliberate hyperbole intended to make apparent just how goddamn much I love that movie, the implication being that I could have continued to watch it indefinitely.


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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby SaiyanRider54 » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:46 pm

It was a little slow and I think they needed to put in some more Gamera vs. Iris scenes.
But I haven't seen the movie in years so I could be wrong.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby kaiju_wars » Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:37 pm

I personally loved G3, and I can critique, but I hate taking the time to do so. I love the final fight... but it was stupid how the Mana Punch is supposed to be this big huge "I hit you with this and you go boom" effect, but it took Iris like a minute and a half to finally explode. It would of been better if he exploded a little, then BOOM!

The characters where good, except the boyfriend friend guy...(don't know if boyfriend, friend, or just guy) he was a whiny little bitch...

Anyways, one of my all-time favorite kaiju movies.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby omgitsgodzilla » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:41 pm

The video game designer guy was just a tad too over the top, but I still love his character.
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Re: Gamera 3 - The Negatives

Postby cloverfan98 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:08 pm

kaiju_wars wrote:I personally loved G3, and I can critique, but I hate taking the time to do so. I love the final fight... but it was stupid how the Mana Punch is supposed to be this big huge "I hit you with this and you go boom" effect, but it took Iris like a minute and a half to finally explode. It would of been better if he exploded a little, then BOOM!

The characters where good, except the boyfriend friend guy...(don't know if boyfriend, friend, or just guy) he was a whiny little bitch...

Anyways, one of my all-time favorite kaiju movies.


It may be more that Irys being seperaed from the girl whose name I forgot that destroyed him more so than the fist. Like the fist just destroyed the body, but the seperation destroyed what may pass for Irys's soul.
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