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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby kaiju_wars » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:26 pm

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According to Kaiju HQ, the meteor slowed down by Godzilla beam, and Big-G's beam made it explode right before impact. The explosion was just close enough to the ground that it caused a crater.


If it exploded right before impact, then the crater wouldn't have been as big as it was. Sure, there would have been a crater, but the one in the film was freakin' huge. Also, a meteor of that size would not have made an explosion that small if it exploded right before impact. If it did explode like that, the explosion would have been MUCH bigger. And there would have been debris flying everywhere.

The way the film shows it, what with how it zooms right into Godzilla's face (which we can assume is the meteor's perspective), makes it look like the meteor hits Tokyo.



Ok true, but this is a movie, and in like all movies, points like that are exagerated. Think about it, Godzilla's ray is supposed to be all powerful, this meteor is freaking huge, then the atmosphere, that all leads up to a pretty big explosion. I will give you points for that the crater was to big, but then you lose them for taking this movie way to seriously. It's a Godzilla movie... everything is overly exagerated. Yes, the crater is to big, but then, the fact it is a movie, and the fact of the ray, meteor size, and atmosphere, all lead up to one big explosion. And one big explosion, can have a pretty big crater. Plus, there will be debris flying everywhere regardless if the meteor struck Earth or not.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:31 pm

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According to Kaiju HQ, the meteor slowed down by Godzilla beam, and Big-G's beam made it explode right before impact. The explosion was just close enough to the ground that it caused a crater.


If it exploded right before impact, then the crater wouldn't have been as big as it was. Sure, there would have been a crater, but the one in the film was freakin' huge. Also, a meteor of that size would not have made an explosion that small if it exploded right before impact. If it did explode like that, the explosion would have been MUCH bigger. And there would have been debris flying everywhere.

The way the film shows it, what with how it zooms right into Godzilla's face (which we can assume is the meteor's perspective), makes it look like the meteor hits Tokyo.



Ok true, but this is a movie, and in like all movies, points like that are exagerated. Think about it, Godzilla's ray is supposed to be all powerful, this meteor is freaking huge, then the atmosphere, that all leads up to a pretty big explosion. I will give you points for that the crater was to big, but then you lose them for taking this movie way to seriously. It's a Godzilla movie... everything is overly exagerated. Yes, the crater is to big, but then, the fact it is a movie, and the fact of the ray, meteor size, and atmosphere, all lead up to one big explosion. And one big explosion, can have a pretty big crater. Plus, there will be debris flying everywhere regardless if the meteor struck Earth or not.


I don't care if this is a film or not. The fact remains that the meteor did not explode in the atmosphere or even close to impact. The meteor actually did crash into Tokyo. That was indicated by the explosion with no debris, the big crater and the zoom-in on Godzilla's face from the meteor's perspective.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby kaiju_wars » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:35 pm

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I don't care if this is a film or not. The fact remains that the meteor did not explode in the atmosphere or even close to impact. The meteor actually did crash into Tokyo. That was indicated by the explosion with no debris, the big crater and the zoom-in on Godzilla's face from the meteor's perspective.


Okay, you do make a couple of valid points, but again, THIS IS A MOVIE. MOVIES DON'T HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH PHYSICS AND FACTS. They are allowed to exagerate. I have a source that says the meteor exploded in the atmosphere. But now, I have to ask, do you have a source that says it impacted with Earth?
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:41 pm

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I don't care if this is a film or not. The fact remains that the meteor did not explode in the atmosphere or even close to impact. The meteor actually did crash into Tokyo. That was indicated by the explosion with no debris, the big crater and the zoom-in on Godzilla's face from the meteor's perspective.


Okay, you do make a couple of valid points, but again, THIS IS A MOVIE. MOVIES DON'T HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH PHYSICS AND FACTS. They are allowed to exagerate. I have a source that says the meteor exploded in the atmosphere. But now, I have to ask, do you have a source that says it impacted with Earth?


A. Again, I don't care if it's a film or not. Pulling out that excuse is basically just saying that the film didn't do its research, which would make a lot of sense with GFW. Besides, my suspension of dis-belief allows me to say that monsters like Godzilla can exist. It does not allow me to say that physics should be completely thrown out the window, and that explosions should behave completely differently.
B. Then the source you have is wrong.
C. Yeah, I have a source. It's called the film itself. And with the way that the scene goes, the film indicates the meteor crashed into Tokyo.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby kaiju_wars » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:48 pm

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I don't care if this is a film or not. The fact remains that the meteor did not explode in the atmosphere or even close to impact. The meteor actually did crash into Tokyo. That was indicated by the explosion with no debris, the big crater and the zoom-in on Godzilla's face from the meteor's perspective.


Okay, you do make a couple of valid points, but again, THIS IS A MOVIE. MOVIES DON'T HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH PHYSICS AND FACTS. They are allowed to exagerate. I have a source that says the meteor exploded in the atmosphere. But now, I have to ask, do you have a source that says it impacted with Earth?


A. Again, I don't care if it's a film or not. Pulling out that excuse is basically just saying that the film didn't do its research, which would make a lot of sense with GFW. Besides, my suspension of dis-belief allows me to say that monsters like Godzilla can exist. It does not allow me to say that physics should be completely thrown out the window, and that explosions should behave completely differently.
B. Then the source you have is wrong.
C. Yeah, I have a source. It's called the film itself. And with the way that the scene goes, the film indicates the meteor crashed into Tokyo.



You clearly haven't been to Kaiju HQ, if you have been to the website, BEFORE IT BEGAN SHUTTING DOWN, you would know, that the owner knows what he is talking about. Plus, the scene doesn't indicate that it touched down, the explosion made it look like that it blew up a few feet above ground.

Your whole argument is that it zoomed in, so it hit the ground. So, if I take a video of my dog, and zoom in on her, to where it is right on her (my camcorder has some good zoom) that I am hitting my dog. No, I could be 10 feet away and do that.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:56 pm

You clearly haven't been to Kaiju HQ, if you have been to the website, BEFORE IT BEGAN SHUTTING DOWN, you would know, that the owner knows what he is talking about


Even people who know what they're talking about can be wrong.

Your whole argument is that it zoomed in, so it hit the ground. So, if I take a video of my dog, and zoom in on her, to where it is right on her (my camcorder has some good zoom) that I am hitting my dog. No, I could be 10 feet away and do that.


...That's not how film works.

If it zooms into the point where it's right next to something, about to hit it, and then everything goes white, with the next shot being a huge ass explosion, then the film is indicating that that thing hit its target and exploded.

That zoom-in was the meteor's perspective. Meaning it got all the way to Godzilla. Judging by what follows, we can come to the conclusion that the meteor hit Tokyo.

Seriously, this is not that hard to comprehend! :roll:
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby kaiju_wars » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:05 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
You clearly haven't been to Kaiju HQ, if you have been to the website, BEFORE IT BEGAN SHUTTING DOWN, you would know, that the owner knows what he is talking about


Even people who know what they're talking about can be wrong.

Your whole argument is that it zoomed in, so it hit the ground. So, if I take a video of my dog, and zoom in on her, to where it is right on her (my camcorder has some good zoom) that I am hitting my dog. No, I could be 10 feet away and do that.


...That's not how film works.

If it zooms into the point where it's right next to something, about to hit it, and then everything goes white, with the next shot being a huge ass explosion, then the film is indicating that that thing hit its target and exploded.

That zoom-in was the meteor's perspective. Meaning it got all the way to Godzilla. Judging by what follows, we can come to the conclusion that the meteor hit Tokyo.

Seriously, this is not that hard to comprehend!


Wow, you still don't get it, you are sayin the meteor zooms in where it is on Godzilla, so again, using my dog as an example, she has white fur. If I ZOOM, in all the way, where all you see is white, does that mean, I am right on top of my dog, hitting her? The answer is NO. Because I ZOOMED IN. I can't believe this is that hard to understand!? :roll:

I also got to ask, how long ago did you see this movie?
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby Tyler » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:30 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:Even people who know what they're talking about can be wrong.


WHAT?!
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:37 pm

Wow, you still don't get it, you are sayin the meteor zooms in where it is on Godzilla, so again, using my dog as an example, she has white fur. If I ZOOM, in all the way, where all you see is white, does that mean, I am right on top of my dog, hitting her? The answer is NO. Because I ZOOMED IN. I can't believe this is that hard to understand!?


No, you're not getting it. You're viewing this as a film from the perspective of a camera. I'm viewing this from within the world of the film, where there is no camera, only the meteor. Nothing is zooming in, only the meteor getting closer to Godzilla. The meteor is not staying in one spot, it's getting closer to Godzilla.

WHAT?!


Let me use an example: The people who said the Earth was flat. Those people knew what they were talking about, at least they thought they knew what they were talking about. But, they were wrong. We know that the Earth is round, yet the people who said it was flat still believed in what they were saying.

Or hell, take any two Physicists from around the world, and both could make a case for the formation of the known universe. Both know what they're talking about, but one has to be wrong. Maybe even both of them are wrong.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:07 pm

Refresh my memory... Did Godzilla get knocked down by the alleged meteor impact?
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby Gigan X3 » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:31 am

You can't use logic against GXG when it comes to Final Wars, he'd let people die before admitting that FW Kaiju are strong.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby kaiju_wars » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:28 pm

^Oh, so that explains it. :lol:
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby MechaZillaClone » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:10 pm

Keizer Ghidorah or Kiryu on a rampage are tied for me
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:12 pm

What? The FW argument is on here too? Wow.

Anyway, deadliest monster goes to GMK Godzilla or Megaguirus for me.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby TokyoVigilante » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:32 am

Regardless of GxG's opinion of FW kaiju, kaiju_wars lack of understanding of basic cinematic language is skreeonk mind boggling.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby Godzillaprime05 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:08 pm

By saying GMK has no.remorse implies every other incarnation of Godzilla went home and said "OH MY. GOD! WHAT HAVE I DONE?" Yeah I say Kaiser Godzilla and going out on a limb here: Gigan could have been if he wasn't a moron. He had good weapons and used them.well until he did something stupid.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:25 pm

Godzillaprime05 wrote:By saying GMK has no.remorse implies every other incarnation of Godzilla went home and said "OH MY. GOD! WHAT HAVE I DONE?" Yeah I say Kaiser Godzilla and going out on a limb here: Gigan could have been if he wasn't a moron. He had good weapons and used them.well until he did something stupid.


Gigan was very susceptible to heat and explosions. A very fragile kaiju if you ask me. A pity too... I like that design.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby Godzillaprime05 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:35 pm

Gigan was very susceptible to heat and explosions.


He seemed more susceptible to himself than anything else. Standing around while Godzilla shot at him and turning his back ON HIS OWN WEAPONS, to me were the things that killed him.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby Bentley » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:18 pm

Godzillaprime05 wrote:
Gigan was very susceptible to heat and explosions.


He seemed more susceptible to himself than anything else. Standing around while Godzilla shot at him and turning his back ON HIS OWN WEAPONS, to me were the things that killed him.



Mothra would've crashed him anyways. Though I agree, Gigan is one overconfident kaiju.
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Re: Deadliest Monster Millennium

Postby Gyaos » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:16 pm

Berserk Kiryu....until he runs out of batteries. Then its like "He wasnt so bad.."

Orga on the grounds that he can absorb the DNA of other beings and gain their traits. Assuming he eats the right Kaiju, he can be pretty deadly.

FW Kaiser Godzilla is the absolute deadliest though. bar none.
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