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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby ZigraDude » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:30 pm

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ZigraDude wrote:The 70's are still part of the Showa Days. But It wouldn't have been possible because Daiei went bankrupt in the 70's.


Then how where they able to make Gamera: The Super Monster back in 1980?


They barely had any money to begin with in making Gamera Super Monster. I don't know the specifics of Daiei's history in the 80's (Maybe someone like August would go into better detail). From what I've heard, Daiei made Super Monster in hoping it would be a hit and getting out of bankruptcy, but it backfired.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby miguelnuva » Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:40 am

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ZigraDude wrote:The 70's are still part of the Showa Days. But It wouldn't have been possible because Daiei went bankrupt in the 70's.


Then how where they able to make Gamera: The Super Monster back in 1980?


because it was 90% stock footage or more.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby GMK Godzilla » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:41 am

Godzilla vs Gamera will never happen. Why? Toho has enough kaiju of their own.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby Living Corpse » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:15 pm

Honestly it seems like the only way Gamera vs Godzilla will ever happen is if Toho downright buys the character and makes him part of their roster and since Gamera's current owners are not going bankrupt I don't see this happening anytime soon.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby omgitsgodzilla » Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:28 pm

bersek9999 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDcwa3MxSrQ&feature=related godzilla vs gamera

Impressive editing.

Anyway, perhaps the idea of it being a match people would love to see and debate often - like King Kong vs. Godzilla, the highest grossing G film - could help sway them a bit.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:17 am

I only liked the Kaneko trilogy and The Brave because the showa Gamera movies are even more cheap in terms of effects and storytelling than the Godzilla movies.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby therealmccoy » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:02 am

I would absolutely cream myself if this happened, but I just don't see it happening, or if it does, I don't see it doing as spectacular as it probably should. I can keep dreaming about it thought!
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby XxComablack1937xX » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:52 pm

Wont happen, Unless The American Godzilla bombs, an Gamera's next film is a huge success then i could see Toho questioning or playing around with the possibilities.

Even then it's a stretch, Though if it did happen.. i see Godzilla fighting Gamera, then having a popular Gamera monster come in an possibly King Ghidorah an they both end up fighting together to defeat them an then they both disappear at the end leaving an opening for a possible sequel.

Don't expect it to ever happen though, We will see Star-Wars 7, 8 an 9 before this
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby JVM » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:39 pm

^ Daiei's asked Toho about it in the past. It's actually very likely, all it requires is Toho giving an OK and being willing to throw money at it. I've never seen anyone explain in detail why Toho said "no" but my guess is they don't feel Gamera is, ahem, equal on terms with Godzilla.

I do agree with your idea though. Godzilla and Gamera show up, fight a little, are interrupted by a greater threat and team up.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:13 am

JVM wrote:^ Daiei's asked Toho about it in the past. It's actually very likely, all it requires is Toho giving an OK and being willing to throw money at it. I've never seen anyone explain in detail why Toho said "no" but my guess is they don't feel Gamera is, ahem, equal on terms with Godzilla.

I do agree with your idea though. Godzilla and Gamera show up, fight a little, are interrupted by a greater threat and team up.


That may have been true in the past but now it's pretty clear Toho really doesn't care about the "spirit of the films" anymore as long as they can make a quick buck and since it's clear that a LOT of fans are more then willing to throw their money away just to see these two fight it is foolish that Toho doesn't even think about it let alone try especially since they've wasted money on far worse things(D&E, GFW).

They've run dry on talent, they are too scared to do anything original anymore, might as well do one more crossover fight movie thing.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby JVM » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:17 am

Living Corpse wrote:
JVM wrote:^ Daiei's asked Toho about it in the past. It's actually very likely, all it requires is Toho giving an OK and being willing to throw money at it. I've never seen anyone explain in detail why Toho said "no" but my guess is they don't feel Gamera is, ahem, equal on terms with Godzilla.

I do agree with your idea though. Godzilla and Gamera show up, fight a little, are interrupted by a greater threat and team up.


That may have been true in the past but now it's pretty clear Toho really doesn't care about the "spirit of the films" anymore as long as they can make a quick buck and since it's clear that a LOT of fans are more then willing to throw their money away just to see these two fight it is foolish that Toho doesn't even think about it let alone try especially since they've wasted money on far worse things(D&E, GFW).


I'm just saying Toho probably sees Gamera as a cheap rip-off and thinks it'd be making Godzilla look stupider by putting him alongside a "lesser monster"
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby MechaGamera » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:50 am

This is my favourite youtube Gamera V Godzilla clip. How the guy did this is beyond me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG_Puvm1 ... re=related

Film is never going to happen sadly. Toho have no real reason to do it. Godzilla makes enough money on it's own.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby Legion1979 » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:01 am

The last new Gamera film practically bombed. Even Kaneko's films weren't huge financial successes. I don't think we'll be seeing Gamera again in a feature film for a long time. Even if Toho was still making Godzilla movies I don't see any incentive for them to want to use Gamera.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby MechaGamera » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:08 am

Gamera the Brave taken on it's own merits is a good film. Sadly coming after the trilogy it looked inferior both in story and more so in design. I think the fanbase were expecting more movies in the same vain as the Kaneko films and were put off by the return to the values of the early Showa movies. That's my take on it from my own point of view anyway. But your right the Kaneko trilogy wasn't as huge a success financially as they were critically.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby Tyler » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:25 pm

MechaGamera wrote:But your right the Kaneko trilogy wasn't as huge a success financially as they were critically.


I think in the long run that's better. I'd rather get good movies than bad or just okay movies that make a whole lot.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby MechaGamera » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:27 am

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MechaGamera wrote:But your right the Kaneko trilogy wasn't as huge a success financially as they were critically.


I think in the long run that's better. I'd rather get good movies than bad or just okay movies that make a whole lot.


I agree I would rather get the Great movie, but sadly for the series to continue any film these days needs also to be a financial success or show it has potential to make money. Very few Kaiju movies are being produced these days in japan. I have to wonder if we will see either Gamera or Godzilla in a Japanese produced movie again.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby Hotrod93 » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:04 am

MechaGamera wrote:
Tyler wrote:
MechaGamera wrote:But your right the Kaneko trilogy wasn't as huge a success financially as they were critically.


I think in the long run that's better. I'd rather get good movies than bad or just okay movies that make a whole lot.


I agree I would rather get the Great movie, but sadly for the series to continue any film these days needs also to be a financial success or show it has potential to make money. Very few Kaiju movies are being produced these days in japan. I have to wonder if we will see either Gamera or Godzilla in a Japanese produced movie again.

Until a huge spike of interest is gained we wont be seeign a new film.

The LP Godzilla may raise this hype level to a certain level.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby Tohosaurus » Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:33 am

On the subject of a 60th anniversery film, you're going to have to think of the LPG film as something of the sort because Toho is unlikely to be making one. Other than some odds and ends rumors fabricated by fans, there appears to be precisely zero consideration for a ~2014 Godzilla movie at Toho. Many fans may point to the comment about Godzilla's decade long hiatus, but that single comment has been taken far too seriously. Even so, it was made so many years ago that anyone in business or product planning would know that plans change quickly, so what you heard seven years ago means nothing if nothing has been said since to credit it. All of that aside, I'd bet Toho will roll out more Godzilla movies in the future. Godzilla is a profitable franchise (and far beyond just movies) but Toho has repeatedly saturated the market with half-arsed movies and in some ways damaged Godzilla's image. The other issue is that at the present monster movies are not that big, both internationally and in Japan. Japan has had their share of monster movies this past decade but anyone who's seen some of them know they're doing the giant monster sub-genre no favors, as much as we can appreciate them ourselves. Well executed movies could lightly awaken the sub-genre again in some markets. We'll have to see how well the Legendary Godzilla, Pacific Rim, and Cloverfield 2 do at the box office to even begin to speculate on that. I blame execution pitfalls for a lot of this sub-genre's problems with box office success (or lack thereof) and just being taken seriously at all. So we'll see, but Toho and others need to focus on quality rather than quantity.

As for a Godzilla vs Gamera, I'm personally against it. I am no expert, but I don't subscribe to the notion that this crossover would just print money for Toho and Kadokawa. I was thinking the exact thing said a couple of pages back about how this would've done better in the late-60s or especially the 70s. Gamera was more of an international figure then, whereas today he simply is not. For the most part you have to be a monster movie fan to know he exists at all. I do agree that if the movie was made the best way to go about it would include something with Godzilla and Gamera fighting but then teaming up against a duo of other monsters, probably one from each franchise's history or whatever. Another issue is that Gamera was intended to ape Godzilla to some extent for financial success like many other monster movies from that era, and Toho may not want what they perceive as a ripoff to stand in the same light as Godzilla, shoulder to shoulder. Gamera's future is probably much more in limbo than Godzilla's.
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Re: gamera vs godzilla & 60th anniversity flim

Postby Legion1979 » Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:55 pm

Fact is, Toho will not make any Godzilla movies around the same time frame as the LP movie. That's a given. The ball is in LP's court. And if that film actually does well and sequels are a serious possibility, you can bet that Toho will not make another Godzilla film as long as LP has the license and sees potential profit from the character.
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