Monster Royal

[Inferno Rodan]

Ugh... stayed up until 4:30 typing up a post for this, and my internet decided to spaz out and it got nuked. Let's try this again.

Meltdown Godzilla has two beams pre-1185 degrees. First is his standard beam, which is just a red version of the normal blue beam. It has no spirals and is no stronger than the blue beam. In fact, for much of the movie it's weaker than the blue beam. This is outright stated in the original dialogue. You know the scene where Godzilla is approaching the power plant, and he shoots the SX3? In the dub, one of the pilots says "Hey did you see that? His heat ray has gotten stronger!" In the original Japanese, to my understanting he says it's weaker. His second beam is a true Spiral Beam. It has spirals and causes massive explosions, just like every other Spiral Beam he fired in previous movies. He only used it during the attack on Hong Kong.

I took screenshots of nearly every beam Godzilla fired during the movie. Here they are in order of appearance:

The first beam he fired in the movie, a true Spiral Beam:


The second beam, again, a true Spiral Beam:


The third, yet another Spiral Beam:


And the fourth. This one is the least obvious, but you can still tell it's a Spiral Beam:


The first beam he fired at the Super X III. Note the complete lack of a spiral:



The second beam he fired at the Super X III. Again, no spiral:



The first beam he fired at Destoroyah. No spiral:



The first of the "Triple Beam Combo" he busted Destoroyah's chest open with. Still no spiral:

(amusing side note: Dessy's chest is already opened up before the beam even hits, lolz)

The second beam of the combo. Nope, no spiral here:


And the final beam of the combo. You guessed it, no spiral:


Now we're getting to the Uber Mega Death Beam of Ultimate Pwnage. Note that the color of the spiral is different from the color of the normal Spiral Beam:

(Christ, that thing is terrifying)

Uber Mega Death Beam of Ultimate Pwnage #2:



Uber Mega Death Beam of Ultimate Pwnage #3:

(Did I mention this thing is terrifying?)

Uber Mega Death Beam of Ultimate Pwnage #4:


Uber Mega Death Beam of Ultimate Pwnage #5:




So yeah, Meltdown Godzilla does not always use the Spiral Beam. The movie quite clearly makes a point to differentiate between his standard beam and the Spiral Beam proper.

And I swear, if ANYONE maintains that all of Meltdown's beams are Spiral Beams after this post, I will reach through the internet and strangle them.

[Legion1979]

I'd concede that IR knows exactly what he's talking about, but I'm still speechless that he took the time to make a post like this.

I do question Toho's reasoning for going back and forth with the ray like that throughout the film. What was the point of Godzilla using the spiral ray in the beginning of the movie to blow shit up and then not use it against actual opponents. He's got a spiral ray during the opening minutes of the movie, loses it and then gets it back around 1190 degrees. I'm wondering why exactly Toho did this. I'd love to hear from someone who has seen the script or knows Toho's intention. Which means obviously I want to hear from August.

And the reason Destroyah's chest was already open was because he had that chest beam that was removed.

[HayesAJones]

I've seen the original Japanese version of the film and I'm pretty sure the guy still says its gotten stronger. But, I am confused as to why the beam started as a Spiral Beam, but then lost the spiral. Weird...

[Hedorah]

While I'm glad IR wasted so much precious time for us, I have to disagree still, I still stand by the theory that Toho was trying to save money, this is most likely why Destroyah ended up being killed by the military. The amount of money it would take to make every beam a spiral beam AND a matching explosion would be very pricey, they needed to ration the budget.

[yaburu]

Maybe it's just due to the fluctuations in Godzilla from the meltdown or something to that effect. Best not to look into these things too deeply.

[Inferno Rodan]

I'd concede that IR knows exactly what he's talking about, but I'm still speechless that he took the time to make a post like this.

I got tired of hearing it.

I've seen the original Japanese version of the film and I'm pretty sure the guy still says its gotten stronger.

-shrug- I'm not 100% positive on that, 'cause I don't have a subbed copy myself. Just going by what I remember Tomzilla saying about it, and he does have it subbed.

While I'm glad IR wasted so much precious time for us, I have to disagree still, I still stand by the theory that Toho was trying to save money, this is most likely why Destroyah ended up being killed by the military. The amount of money it would take to make every beam a spiral beam AND a matching explosion would be very pricey, they needed to ration the budget.

-strangles you-

Are you serious, kid?

It doesn't cost any more to add a Spiral Beam than it does to add a normal beam. If they wanted to save money on that, they wouldn't have added the beam at all (this happens numerous times throughout the Heisei movies). And while the reason for the beam not causing huge explosions every time it was use may in fact have originally been because of budget, the fact remains that they altered the beam to explain away the difference in-universe. They intentionally changed the beam animation for the weaker explosions. Period. How anyone can deny this at this point is completely beyond me.

[Legionmaster]

How anyone can deny this at this point is completely beyond me.

Same way uber-Christians deny evolution. By making things up.

[Darkness]

I do question Toho's reasoning for going back and forth with the ray like that throughout the film. What was the point of Godzilla using the spiral ray in the beginning of the movie to blow shit up and then not use it against actual opponents. He's got a spiral ray during the opening minutes of the movie, loses it and then gets it back around 1190 degrees. I'm wondering why exactly Toho did this. I'd love to hear from someone who has seen the script or knows Toho's intention.

I agree with this. I find it strange that Toho would alter the beams between those. Maybe it's intentional, or maybe it was more time consuming to add in the spirals in some way and Toho was too lazy to add them to every beam. Toho had a reputation for being lazy from 1991-1995, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Whether it was intentional to change the ray or just Toho being lazy is up for debate until we get an official source that gives us some good information. Seeing as how they still go on about Godzilla's heat ray being stronger (as far as I know), I still stand by the beam being stronger than the blue beam until as Legion1979 said, we hear from someone who has seen the script and knows Toho's intentions.

[Monster Master]

My God...

You people are going to make him get out his old comparison pictures, aren't you?

[yaburu]

My God...

You people are going to make him get out his old comparison pictures, aren't you?

We have a pool going. If we can get him to do it before page 7, we win....uhhhhh...

Guys, what the hell was the prize we decided on again?

[Legionmaster]

Guys, what the hell was the prize we decided on again?

We all get to star in one of wataru's pornos!

[Living Corpse]

I've seen the original Japanese version of the film and I'm pretty sure the guy still says its gotten stronger. But, I am confused as to why the beam started as a Spiral Beam, but then lost the spiral. Weird...

I think the whole point was to show that Godzilla really lost control of his power and had no way of making his beams stronger or weaker like he did in past films, they just randomly changed in power on their own. Just my two cents.

Gotta say though that I never noticed the spiral on the meltdown beam was white while past spirals are red/orange.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

I don't know if the N20 armor will completely hold up to the spiral ray. Because even though the armor was melting off, if you look at the movie there are only a few places where it was melting, there was still plenty of N20 armor on SuperMechaGodzilla when he was getting blasted to hell. Godzilla has melted synthetic diamond before with his normal ray (Fire Mirror), I think the Spiral Ray is able to go through the synthetic diamond of the N20 armor.

I thinkt he entire armor was already liquified opr at least molten. Or about to melt, making its absorbent abilities useless.

Now, I can't necessarily argue about SpaceGodzilla's shield because we never saw if it had limits. But I'm going to guess that the shield, very much like SG's power, has it's limits. Even if it was inpenetrable, it takes a lot of energy to raise it. I don't think 20 crystals will be enough to constantly fuel him with enough energy to raise for every beam that flies his way.

I never said ti would block every beam in his way, but he and SMG's barriers may just allow them to defeat MD Goji.

Amidst all this chaos?

I don;t think its gonna be that chaotic. And there's still a fair chance. I never said it would happen for sure, but it could happen.

Let's say he does get to use his G-Crusher, can we be sure the N-20 alloy can withstand the intense heat from his body? When Godzilla reawakened from the G-Crusher the heat coming off his body began melting the diamond surface. I think it's safe to assume that the alloy would melt when coming in contact with his body. Also remember that Godzilla was able to survive Destoroyah's Laser Horn, I don't see what the G-Crusher is going to do here.

It doesn;t matter whether the NT-20 armor can withstand the heat or not, once SMG pulls the G-crusher, MD Goji is dead. The G-crusher won't melt because most proper metals (stainless steel, iron) don;t melt as such temperatures.

And 1200 degrees ain't enough to melt the NT-20. Screw that, no amount of heat will melt it. Its called a NT-20 heat shield for a reason.

Actually, I don't think that'll work. The shock anchors probably wont be able to stand the intense heat of Godzilla's inner body temperature. They would probably melt as soon as they sunk into his flesh.

No, not really.

Even if the G-crusher were to be made of some poor metal (given the billions poured into the mech, unlikely), it won;t melt instantly. 1200 degrees can;t do that. It will take a while, long enough for the G-crusher to paralyse Goji.

And I also think that KaijuSapian brings up a good point. It is possible that Godzilla's body heat could melt the N20 armor.

If Goji's ray couldn't, the body heat won't. Again, its called a NT-20 Heat Shield for a reason.

Destroyah was obviously a much stronger opponent then MGII and Rodan. .

Blasphemy!

If anything, MG 2/SMG is more powerful than Des. SMG or not, he certianly isn't 'obviously much weaker'. If you were talking about durability, that's odd since after Destroyah, SMG is the most durable heisei kaiju, taking 8 spirla rays WITHOUT one layer of armor, presumable the stronger layer. He's more durable than Spacegodzilla (who didn;t even get a mention) and nearly as strong. What;s next, Minya is much stronger than Meltdown Godzilla?

No wonder I think SMG is damn underrated.

[YawnMasta]

It doesn;t matter whether the NT-20 armor can withstand the heat or not, once SMG pulls the G-crusher, MD Goji is dead. The G-crusher won't melt because most proper metals (stainless steel, iron) don;t melt as such temperatures.

SMG only did that ONCE when Godzilla was getting knocked around by his beams

And 1200 degrees ain't enough to melt the NT-20. Screw that, no amount of heat will melt it. Its called a NT-20 heat shield for a reason.

It should melt, Godzilla's blue ray melted diamonds. Diamonds melts at 3600 Celsius or 6000 Fahrenheit. Considering Meltdown Godzilla's ray gets hotter, and considering he isn't very warm when he fought with Mecha Godzilla. I do believe a line from the movie said his ray got stronger.

And I also think that KaijuSapian brings up a good point. It is possible that Godzilla's body heat could melt the N20 armor.

If Goji's ray couldn't, the body heat won't. Again, its called a NT-20 Heat Shield for a reason.

Meltdown's ray is vastly different. Even then the heat from his body will mess with the electronics.

No wonder I think SMG is damn underrated.

His NT-20 is over rated.

[KaijuSapian]

Also remember that Godzilla was able to survive Destoroyah's Laser Horn, I don't see what the G-Crusher is going to do here.

It doesn;t matter whether the NT-20 armor can withstand the heat or not, once SMG pulls the G-crusher, MD Goji is dead.

I just want to point out the regen Godzilla displayed at this point in time. It was able to instantly heal after being sliced up by Destoroyah's giant lightsaber-esque Laser Horn. An attack which also diminishes the effect of ones regen. He was able to walk away with just cuts, as opposed to being minced and sliced into pieces. I just don't see what the G-Crusher is going to do here. Maybe you say otherwise, seeing how the G-Crusher destroyed his second brain, but think of the damage the Laser horn did, slicing internal organs, bones, nerves, muscles, and Godzilla survived it.

This is one of the primary reasons I see Godzilla taking this battle.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

SMG only did that ONCE when Godzilla was getting knocked around by his beams

When he became Super, SMG immediately went in for the kill agaisnt Goji. I don't see hwot hat won't happen here.

It should melt, Godzilla's blue ray melted diamonds. Diamonds melts at 3600 Celsius or 6000 Fahrenheit.

And SMG absorbed Goji's 'dimaond melting' ray. Do you even know ANYTHING about SMG's abilites? You have helped reiforce my point that Goji's low body heat won;t do jack shit to SMG's armor if 6000 degrees fahrenheit didn't slow his armor or leave a scratch.

So yeah, Gojo's ray can melt diamonds, but not SMG's super-special absorbent synthetic diamonds.

Considering Meltdown Godzilla's ray gets hotter, and considering he isn't very warm when he fought with Mecha Godzilla. I do believe a line from the movie said his ray got stronger.

That's not the point. That line's like-

'Hey, Hedorha only managed to absorb some toxic waste! If we give really really toxic piles of thrash, it will kill him!'

SMG's shield thrives and uses heat to power his plasma grenade. The stronger your heat, the more dangerous SMG gets.

Meltdown's ray is vastly different. Even then the heat from his body will mess with the electronics.

It doens;t matter how different it is. It can't be any mroe different than Rodan's uranium beam anyway, which SMG used and absorbed without any trouble.

His NT-20 is over rated.

No, really? When did it EVER fail him?

I just want to point out the regen Godzilla displayed at this point in time. It was able to instantly heal after being sliced up by Destoroyah's giant lightsaber-esque Laser Horn. An attack which also diminishes the effect of ones regen. He was able to walk away with just cuts, as opposed to being minced and sliced into pieces. I just don't see what the G-Crusher is going to do here. Maybe you say otherwise, seeing how the G-Crusher destroyed his second brain, but think of the damage the Laser horn did, slicing internal organs, bones, nerves, muscles, and Godzilla survived it.

If the cables hit Goji's organs, then yeah, he'd regenerate it without much problems (assuming he can pull it out of course, with the thousands of volts surging through him). But thing is, the G-crusher is mainly used for one purpose when ti comes to Godzilla- hit the second brain. It doesn't matter whether he's metldown or not, the little nerve centre is still his weak spot (though I wonder why SMG didn't shoot it at Goji's skull. Maybe it was too risky as the G-crusher may get blasted)..

Frankly, if regeneration could solve the problem, Heisei Goji. who has nearly as insane regen, would have regenerated it as easily as he did with SMG's first cable shot.

[Hedorah]

It should melt, Godzilla's blue ray melted diamonds. Diamonds melts at 3600 Celsius or 6000 Fahrenheit.

And SMG absorbed Goji's 'dimaond melting' ray. Do you even know ANYTHING about SMG's abilites? You have helped reiforce my point that Goji's low body heat won;t do jack shit to SMG's armor if 6000 degrees fahrenheit didn't slow his armor or leave a scratch.

So yeah, Gojo's ray can melt diamonds, but not SMG's super-special absorbent synthetic diamonds.

Ok first off, you are talking as if SMG has completely different armor then regular MG, he doesn't, it's the same damn armor. Godzillas meltdown beam is way hotter then the blue beam. I think it could do some damage. So my question is do YOU even know about SMG's abilities?

[Living Corpse]

Guys being hit by the red spiral beam is a double edged sword for SMG.

Good news for him is that it gives fuel for the PG.

Bad news for him is that repeated exposure to such a beam will melt his NT-20 armor just like in GvsMG2.

[Legionmaster]

Guys being hit by the red spiral beam is a double edged sword for SMG.

Good news for him is that it gives fuel for the PG.

Bad news for him is that repeated exposure to such a beam will melt his NT-20 armor just like in GvsMG2.

Normal heat beams were able to overheat the energy reserves for the Plasma Grenade. The Meltdown/Spiral beams most certainly will disable it.

[Living Corpse]

Guys being hit by the red spiral beam is a double edged sword for SMG.

Good news for him is that it gives fuel for the PG.

Bad news for him is that repeated exposure to such a beam will melt his NT-20 armor just like in GvsMG2.

Normal heat beams were able to overheat the energy reserves for the Plasma Grenade. The Meltdown/Spiral beams most certainly will disable it.

True but that was after several shots and while spiral ray is way hotter I still don't think it would overheat it with one shot, just fewer, the exception being the Meltdown Ray IR pointed out. That thing would overheat it in one shot.