Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Hedorah » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:38 pm

Legionmaster wrote:
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Legionmaster wrote:I'm wondering what the hell KG was doing from 1954-1992. Other than having lovely tea parties by himself.


I was always under the impression they had him hidden somewhere with mind control, waiting for orders

Except the mind control device didn't exist until 1992.


Well...........shit
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Lord Gappa » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:39 pm

^
They DO come from the future. Perhaps mind control devices are as common as iPods.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:43 pm

Lord Gappa wrote:^
They DO come from the future. Perhaps mind control devices are as common as iPods.


That's kinda fudged up.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Lord Gappa » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:45 pm

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:
Lord Gappa wrote:^
They DO come from the future. Perhaps mind control devices are as common as iPods.


That's kinda fudged up.

The whole film is fudged up.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby kpa » Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:46 pm

Lord Gappa wrote:Like kpa already stated, whos to say the mutations weren't immediate? He could have been stowed away on said island while he grew into King Ghidorah.


Exactly. Since King Ghidorah was a genetically engineered creation intended as a weapon, it would have been designed to function as the Futurians' needed. And since they didn't need it until 1992, it seems unlikely a flying monster would be left to act on its own for 50 years (with no one noticing, to boot). So I would go with simple options, which would include Ghidorah being dormant (perhaps undersea) until summoned, or the gestation from Dorats to Ghidorah being a slow process that took decades to complete. Neither of those options are official but they don't contradict anything shown in the movie.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:22 am

kpa wrote:I would go with simple options, which would include Ghidorah being dormant (perhaps undersea) until summoned, or the gestation from Dorats to Ghidorah being a slow process that took decades to complete. Neither of those options are official but they don't contradict anything shown in the movie.


Since King Ghidorah managed to maintain its integrity under the ocean without much apparent decay until the time of the Futurians, it seems more than possible that it could survive a 50 year hibernation. Of course, being a genetically engineered weapon from the future, Ghidorah could be capable of just about anything.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Titanosaurus75 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:25 am

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Titanosaurus75 wrote:Excellent article, kpa. However, I do have one question regarding it. Are you suggesting that the '54 Godzilla and the Heisei Godzilla are different species, with '54 Godzilla being the terrestrial/aquatic intermediate proposed by Yamane, and the Heisei Godzilla being a mutant Godzillasaurus?


Hey Titanosaurus75, I'm just catching up on this thread so hopefully my answer isn't too late. Whether the 54 and 84 Godzillas were completely different species is open to speculation, and I tried to avoid any personal guessing in that article and stick only to what was shown in the movies. Honda, Murata, and the others directly involved in creating Godzilla provided its backstory in GODZILLA '54. What Omori invented for GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH doesn't fit with G'54 (the movie)... the Godzillasaur is clearly not a terrestrial/aquatic intermediate species living in the manner described by Yamane, and it wouldn't have inspired the legend of Odo Island... even the islands in G-54 and GvsKG are nowhere near each other. So my opinion (and it's just an opinion) is that the two Godzillas would have to be different species or Omori just ignored parts of G'54 that didn't fit his story and therefore Godzilla 54 in the Heisei series (but not the Showa) was also a Godzillasaur. Toho's played fast and loose with continuity before and since so whatever works for you would likely be fine.


Well, I guess it's my turn to catch up late. Thanks for the reply kpa. It was very helpful.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Gojira21 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:51 pm

It good to read this article. This whole series confused the heck out of me, especially with the confusing plot of Godzilla vs King Ghidorah...
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Irys X » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:59 pm

Wow. Now I can actually watch the Heisei movies and know what is going on. I had my own theories, but this makes perfect sense. Thanks.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Svitska Donkun » Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:54 am

I never scratched my head over the continuity. My brain created some kind of nonsensical explanation when I was a kid, but as I got older I just wrote them off as terrible plot holes. Nice that there;s an official explanation though.

One thing that pisses me off in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah is Shindo. He only looks 5 years younger in 1944 as he does in 1992. Its funny because you can go look at film s he did in the 50's and see how majorly different Yoshio Tsuchiya looked. But according to Godzilla vs. KG, he was always old.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:45 am

Svitska Donkun wrote:One thing that pisses me off in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah is Shindo. He only looks 5 years younger in 1944 as he does in 1992.


They could always have recast "1940s Shindo" with a younger actor, but I think the eventual meeting between him and Godzilla would've played flat without actually having the same man come face-to-face with the dinosaur again. The age discrepancy never bothered me a whole lot anyway, and more Tsuchiya is better than less, IMO.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby omgitsgodzilla » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:52 pm

I think it could have just been from the stress of war and probably not having shaved recently... He had some stubble in the 40s scenes, right?
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Svitska Donkun » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:09 am

omgitsgodzilla wrote:I think it could have just been from the stress of war and probably not having shaved recently... He had some stubble in the 40s scenes, right?


I was unaware stress could make you age 30 years...I guess Tom Hanks' character in Saving Private Ryan was actually 11...
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby omgitsgodzilla » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:29 am

Eh. Stress can make a person look older. All I'm saying is that that, combined with the unshaven look, could have easily made Shindo appear older than he actually was. Or hell, it could have just been some artistic license to portray his personality.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Tyler » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:30 am

Perhaps he had plastic surgery.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Ethan » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:42 am

Had Rick Baker done the make-up effects Tsuchiya would have looked like in the Showa films.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby omgitsgodzilla » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:13 am

CUZ TEH AMURRKINZ IS BETTAR? :lol: Joking. Makeup never really was the series' strong suit. Just look at Dr. Mafune's mustache.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby Ethan » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:44 am

I don't know, the acid burn victims in Godzilla vs. Hedorah look pretty convincing to me. So do Shin Takuma's injuries in Godzilla 1985.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby omgitsgodzilla » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:43 am

Well injuries are probably relatively easy. I wouldn't know but it seems that way.
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Re: Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

Postby attilagodzilla » Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:30 am

Good article but the time travel plot didn't confuse me
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