How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby xenotactics » Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:36 pm

Primevalgodzilla V2 wrote:I want a classic kaiju that is rather popular, but also rather underused. Like Hedorah, Gigan or even Megalon.


As far as Kaiju go, Hedorah is pretty believable. He's a somewhat amorphous mutant with an ecological origin. That works very well. Gigan and Megalon, while potentially really cool monsters are not at all believable for a first film. They're both cyborgs with alien/non-human civilization origins. That's liable to be seen as campy-as-hell by uninitiated filmgoers. We should start out with mutations or characters whose origins resemble those of Godzilla. Don't suddenly have a mutated dinosaur show up and then throw something else equally unbelievable, unrelated, and perhaps even more outlandish into the equation.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby Shadow » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:45 am

What if LP uses Bagan in the film?
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:12 am

It's probably not gonna be Bagan. Unless they change his design because it's very Heisei-ish what with being bulky.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby Shadow » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:23 am

Living Corpse wrote:It's probably not gonna be Bagan. Unless they change his design because it's very Heisei-ish what with being bulky.


Most likely, but I think he would make one hell of a enemy.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby DeadpoolsbetterThanU » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:29 am

Shadow wrote:Most likely, but I think he would make one hell of a enemy.

I think so too, but he's probably too powerful for the first movie. LP is probably going to do a trilogy, because what movie nowadays doesn't get a trilogy?
So I think they'd save him for a sequel or third movie. Remember in Super Godzilla, Godzilla had to become Super Godzilla in order to defeat him. That's not something I think most people would want in the first movie.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby Hellspawn28 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:35 am

Just because fans didn't receive the original monsters from those newer films very well, doesn't mean that an original monster won't do well with fans or the general public with this one. At some point, all the monsters were fresh new faces. Seriously, we can't just say "Oh, we (the fans) didn't invest too much in this particular monster so that means the general public didn't like them either".


But David Goyer is the writer, knowing him with Batman and Blade then he is likely going to pick a classic villain for the film. Most likely pick someone that is iconic or a monster is recognizable like King Ghidorah or Hedorah. Having a new monster will be asking who they are, you don't see people making new original villains for Spider-Man in a film.

because what movie nowadays doesn't get a trilogy?


Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992), Independence Day (1996), Spawn (1997), Deep Blue Sea (1999), Daredevil (2003), Van Helsing (2004), 10,000 BC (2008), The Last Airbender (2010) and many other popular movies never got a trilogy. It's too early to tell if we are going to get sequels, the movie can be a hit (Which is likely) or a flop. GINO did well at the box office due to the marketing.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby Shadow » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:37 am

@DeadpoolsbetterThanU. Agreed best saved for a sequel.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby Jomei » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:39 am

I think two or three would be all right. We're confirmed to have Godzilla + his enemy, but I think a third monster with a lesser role could be all right. Perhaps it's quickly stopped by the military/Godzilla/enemy monster.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby dantheunbelievable » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:59 pm

sequel to giant monster all out attack and yes with original script i don't care
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby TokyoVigilante » Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:09 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:But David Goyer is the writer, knowing him with Batman and Blade then he is likely going to pick a classic villain for the film. Most likely pick someone that is iconic or a monster is recognizable like King Ghidorah or Hedorah. Having a new monster will be asking who they are, you don't see people making new original villains for Spider-Man in a film.


Seeing David Goyer's work in Batman Begins and how that film drew from a wide range of mythology to craft his new origin (The League of Shadows are from the late-sixties, Ra's Al Ghul is from the early seventies), I think people should optimistic in that the whole gambit of Godzilla mythology could be tapped for this new film. This won't necessarily be a straight Gojira remake or anything Showa heavy.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby HeiseiGodzilla117 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:33 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:But David Goyer is the writer, knowing him with Batman and Blade then he is likely going to pick a classic villain for the film. Most likely pick someone that is iconic or a monster is recognizable like King Ghidorah or Hedorah. Having a new monster will be asking who they are, you don't see people making new original villains for Spider-Man in a film.


Of course that's more likely to happen. It's easier that way. But that doesn't mean it couldn't be every bit as engaging with a new monster. I would hardly call King Ghidorah or Hedorah "iconic" or "recognizable" to the movie-going public. The majority of people out there haven't the faintest clue who any of those monsters are. The public would ask, "Who's that?", whether they use a classic or original monster because they are only vaguely familiar with the franchise at best.

You're acting like I expect an original monster, HS. When I only said I would much prefer a new monster. I know Goyer's track record and his tendencies to gather elements from an adapted character's mythos as opposed to introducing entirely new things.

As for relating this to a Spider-man adaptation: Spidey's enemies are much more widely recognized in the United States (the classic villains anyway). So of course a film company wouldn't create an entirely new villain (unless we're counting "New Goblin" or whatever the hell Harry was in Spider-Man 3). So it's certainly possible people would bitch about original villains. Hell, people would bitch if any post-Carnage villain was used. With Godzilla, the general movie-going crowd has little-to-no familiarity with the mythos. So it would hardly matter. That's what would have happened if the 94(?) had been made. We would have gotten the Gryphon. Nobody would have cared.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:38 pm

HeiseiGodzilla117 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:But David Goyer is the writer, knowing him with Batman and Blade then he is likely going to pick a classic villain for the film. Most likely pick someone that is iconic or a monster is recognizable like King Ghidorah or Hedorah. Having a new monster will be asking who they are, you don't see people making new original villains for Spider-Man in a film.


Of course that's more likely to happen. It's easier that way. But that doesn't mean it couldn't be every bit as engaging with a new monster. I would hardly call King Ghidorah or Hedorah "iconic" or "recognizable" to the movie-going public. The majority of people out there haven't the faintest clue who any of those monsters are. The public would ask, "Who's that?", whether they use a classic or original monster because they are only vaguely familiar with the franchise at best.

You're acting like I expect an original monster, HS. When I only said I would much prefer a new monster. I know Goyer's track record and his tendencies to gather elements from an adapted character's mythos as opposed to introducing entirely new things.

As for relating this to a Spider-man adaptation: Spidey's enemies are much more widely recognized in the United States (the classic villains anyway). So of course a film company wouldn't create an entirely new villain (unless we're counting "New Goblin" or whatever the hell Harry was in Spider-Man 3). So it's certainly possible people would bitch about original villains. Hell, people would bitch if any post-Carnage villain was used. With Godzilla, the general movie-going crowd has little-to-no familiarity with the mythos. So it would hardly matter. That's what would have happened if the 94(?) had been made. We would have gotten the Gryphon. Nobody would have cared.


This.

Most people just know Godzilla and that's it. Like some of them know there are other monsters as well but if you asked them to simply name one other then Godzilla only a few would say Mothra, Rodan, "Robot Godzilla" and "The Gold dude with three heads" while others would not be able to name a single one other then Godzilla himself.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:42 pm

The Gryphon was created because Tristar didn't want to pay for a monster like Mothra or King Ghidorah.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby HeiseiGodzilla117 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:45 pm

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:The Gryphon was created because Tristar didn't want to pay for a monster like Mothra or King Ghidorah.


I think about everybody here understands that. But my point still stands. Maybe some fans would have been butthurt that a classic nemesis wasn't chosen for Godzilla to fight, but the general public probably would have felt the same whether it had been Ghidorah or The Gryphon.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:46 pm

I would have been up for the Gryphon. Don't get me wrong, it'd be cool to see a big budget Ghidorah but it'd also be nice to see some new monsters.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:51 pm

I'd be glad if an original monster shows up. I want something that will piss off fans.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby HeiseiGodzilla117 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:54 pm

I'll be perfectly fine with whatever adversary (or adversaries) they pick for Godzilla in this film. I would just prefer to see the LP crew come up with something they can call their own and bring in some classic monsters in (possible) later films. But again, I'll be fine with just about any of the possible enemies.


SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:I'd be glad if an original monster shows up. I want something that will piss off fans.


Would it really piss this fan-base off that bad? I love Godzilla's classic foes, but a fresh face every now-and-then, in my honest opinion, is a good thing.
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:57 pm

HeiseiGodzilla117 wrote:
SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:I'd be glad if an original monster shows up. I want something that will piss off fans.


Would it really piss this fan-base off that bad? I love Godzilla's classic foes, but a fresh face every now-and-then, in my honest opinion, is a good thing.


It'll piss off fans like Legion1979 and any purist that can't take the concept of "new" or "American made."
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby Barugar0n » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:21 pm

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:The Gryphon was created because Tristar didn't want to pay for a monster like Mothra or King Ghidorah.


Actually, Toho denied TriStar the rights to use Rodan, Mothra and King Ghidorah as part of an agreement. Hell, TriStar didn't even get the rights to Godzilla's roar. The reason the roar in the '98 film sounds so weird is because they had to replicate a similar-sounding but overall different roar to avoid copyright infringement. Probably the most amazing part is that Frank Welker (Megatron in Transformers and Fred Jones in Scooby-Doo) was the one who provided the Godzilla sounds (with some effects obviously mixed in).
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Re: How Many Monsters Should Be In The Film

Postby G-fan 27 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:12 pm

none...all the series(showa,heisei, and millenium) started off with godzilla in a solo movie thats how they shouldstart it this time again
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