Talkback: Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla (2002)

[Gyaos]

Poor. Like most of the Millenium films (Save for GMK), its dull and boring and the battles take forever to happen. Kiryu is a let-down of a mech. Sure it has a cool design and an interesting origin, but any awesome looking giant robot that gets severely damaged just by tripping and falling over is a fail in my book. Godzilla no more than a plot device and like Kiryu, is a complete let down not just because he barely does anything, but his design also blows (I hate anything that looks even remotely like the G2K design, it just irks me). The final battle is the only redeeming factor for me. Even if all Godzilla does is stand there and take every hit without fighting back.

[GodzillavsZilla]

I finnally watched it and it is AWSOME!!!

[gojira84]

Likely my second favorite Millennium movie.

[Garma]

I like the design of Kiryu, and the concept of the first Godzilla fighting the second, and people always complain that the movie focused too much on kiryu and not enough on godzilla, but if kiryu is the first godzilla resurrected then the movie does focus on a godzilla just not the living one.

[omgitsgodzilla]

The only thing that kept me from rating it a "great" was the poor CGI. Other than that, I love this movie.

[Tyler]

I think you should just expect not-so-great CG with these movies, as depressing as that is. Some stuff looks better than average, though.

[tymon]

How did the Gamera trilogy's CG look so much better with half the budget? That's what I've been trying to figure out..

[Tyler]

How did the Gamera trilogy's CG look so much better with half the budget? That's what I've been trying to figure out..

They had something called "talent."

[BountyHunter]

It had a lot of potential, but a lot of it was killed by too much human drama

Yeah, the little girl with the weepy plant and the horny dad? Got a little weird.

Actually that was GAM that had Weepy Girl and Horny Dad! lol

[Chris55]

It had a lot of potential, but a lot of it was killed by too much human drama

Yeah, the little girl with the weepy plant and the horny dad? Got a little weird.

Actually that was GAM that had Weepy Girl and Horny Dad! lol

Yeah that's the movie we're talking about

[bananaoil]

Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla is absolutely the best Millennium film. It has characters instead of caricatures (and they're actually engaging to boot!), the plot is concise, interesting, and plays with the Showa series in a fun way, Kiyru is a neat take on Mechaogdzilla, Michiru Ohshima's score is fantastic...this movie is what Godzilla films should be.

[Tohosaurus]

^ Plus the monsters actually fight rather than mostly beam spam or pick each other off.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

I admit that there was a lot of human drama, and a lot of focus on the Kiryu project, but I think of GAM as the set-up, and Tokyo S.O.S. as the climax. TSOS was wall-to-wall action, more than making up for the pace of its predecessor.

Although the berserk Kiryu scene in GAM was pretty damn awesome in its own right.

[Lord Gappa]

I admit that there was a lot of human drama, and a lot of focus on the Kiryu project, but I think of GAM as the set-up, and Tokyo S.O.S. as the climax. TSOS was wall-to-wall action, more than making up for the pace of its predecessor.

Although the berserk Kiryu scene in GAM was pretty damn awesome in its own right.

As mentioned before, it was quite disappointing they ruined what would've been an interesting and more gripping battle IMO.
Nice analysis on the GAM and SOS stroyline. Taking crap from the SOS Ending thread, a third Kiryu film would be the Conclusion, i presume?
So we have GAM-Beginning, SOS-Climax, and Kiryu 3-Conclusion

[MothraRocks]

If they're was a third ( I know they're isn't gonna be) do u think any other monsters would return other than G and MG?

[Lord Gappa]

If they're was a third ( I know they're isn't gonna be) do u think any other monsters would return other than G and MG?

I'm positive Mothra would return seeing as it would be a 50th anniversary film. King Ghidorah could be in it, as the final monster Godzilla and Mechagodzilla teaming up to destroy it. I can see Destoroyah making an appearance as one of the villains. Varan, Anguirus, Gezora, Manda, Baragon, Titanosaurus, Kamoebas, Kumonga, maybe Gaira and Battra.
But y'know one creature that should be in it?
Biollante.
She needs a comeback, and i think if this was made, she'd be defiantly in it. Rodan and Gigan are some more choices i'd pick, and that's about it.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

I think I'd probably keep the overall monster count low in a third part, then you could spend the budget on good battles instead of many battles. I'd have the fully grown Mothra, Godzilla and Kiryu back. I might want to add Rodan or Anguirus, and using King Ghidorah as the villain would only make sense in a 50th anniversary flick. One thing I'd be sure to do, is to make Ghidorah incredibly powerful, really too much for any one or two monsters to combat solo. The finale would be a more kinetic, more devastating version of Monster Zero/DAM.

I'd definitely want the final emotional payoff of the film to be Kiryu, acting independently, teaming up with its relative in a final showdown with KG. (I always kind of assumed Kiryu to be the living Godzilla's former mate, actually. It's refusal to fight, it's relatively painless final plan to bind them together and return to the ocean, all suggested as much to me. Could also be a parent, but without another one around...ugh. I don't want any more hermaphroditic Godzillas.)

[Tohosaurus]

If they're was a third ( I know they're isn't gonna be) do u think any other monsters would return other than G and MG?

Well with two Mothra larvae having survived, they'd be able to have a Mothra (idk what they'd do with the second one ... maybe one would be killed?).

With Kiryu having been sunk at the end of Tokyo SOS, I wonder how that would work out. Would they salvage it and repair it? Would they modify it heavily in part with some of the DNA stuff alluded to after the ending credits in TSOS? Maybe they could salvage Kiryu and modify his weaponry and such to make him more powerful than before. Revise the suit slightly so that he looks a little more fresh and not same old. Also, maybe with the Godzilla DNA they can modify Kiryu to be able to operate on its own, once commanded to do so of course.

They movie would probably need something more though, otherwise three Kiryu movies after one another, two with Mothra, Kiryu, and Godzilla, would potentially get too similar and repetitive. Perhaps instead of bringing Kiryu back they bring something a little closer to a real Godzilla back but completely (and conveniently) lose control of it. The combining of DNA or something has a bit of a Godzilla vs Biollante flavor, but the films would be pretty different in the end, I think.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Godzilla X MechaGodzilla is okay. It's not good, but it's not bad either. Akana is the only interesting character in the entire film, where everyone else is incredibly boring. The story, while different from most Godzilla stories, is not an interesting one and at times focuses too much on Akana, and not enough on Godzilla. I will say that it feels like the most realistic Godzilla film, but that can hurt the film as well, because I enjoy it when Godzilla goes into the implausible zone, which this film never pulls off well.

Overall, its not one of the best Godzilla films, but compared to most of the films in the Millennium series, its miles ahead of them.

[omgitsgodzilla]

I'd say the most interesting characters were Akane and Sara, the little girl. Everyone else was kind of one-dimensional.