Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby Goji » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:52 pm

Ethan wrote:The battle is fine the way it is. You see Mechagodzilla unleashing its entire arsenal, everything blows up, Godzilla bleeds like he never has before, the music is exciting. Thought so.


Yes, thank you.

I don't see why the battled needed to be "10-15" minutes for it to make an impression. It's just fine the way it is, and is photographed much better than the elongated wrestling match seen the year before.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:12 pm

The GvsMG finale battle is terrific, and it never felt all that abrupt to me.

However, after sitting through minute-after-minute of the King Caesar summoning-boogie, one might think that the director could've trimmed some draggy scenes like that short in favor of another minute or two of Godzy footage.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby Gojira-Fan » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:15 pm

Goji wrote:
Ethan wrote:The battle is fine the way it is. You see Mechagodzilla unleashing its entire arsenal, everything blows up, Godzilla bleeds like he never has before, the music is exciting. Thought so.


Yes, thank you.

I don't see why the battled needed to be "10-15" minutes for it to make an impression. It's just fine the way it is, and is photographed much better than the elongated wrestling match seen the year before.


It's just my opinion.

The battle is still enjoyable to watch. I just wish it was longer.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:19 pm

I love musical numbers in Kaiju films. Wish there were more.

My only gripe with the finale of GvsMG is the sudden appearance of the white jacketed Interpol agent who Dues Ex Machina's the heros out of danger. Overall the film suffers from to-many-character-syndrome, IMO.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby Killswitch » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:03 am

King Ceasar should of had more screen time, IMO. I would of liked to have seen more one on one fighting between KC & MG, before Godzilla arrived.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby King Caesar » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:25 am

Killswitch wrote:King Ceasar should of had more screen time, IMO. I would of liked to have seen more one on one fighting between KC & MG, before Godzilla arrived.


I agree with you on that. King Caesar really didn't do much in the fight, even before Godzilla came. He was kind of just there just cuz for must of the final fight scene
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:15 pm

I don't think the Showa era ever went wrong. It was consistent from start to finish. There were some good films, great films and bad films in the 50s, 60s and 70s, and is overall the best series of Toho daikaiju films.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby Space Hunter M » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:47 pm

The very last frame of Terror of Mechagodzilla.

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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby Giga Kaiju » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:40 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:I don't think the Showa era ever went wrong. It was consistent from start to finish. There were some good films, great films and bad films in the 50s, 60s and 70s, and is overall the best series of Toho daikaiju films.


This. I Agree i Like the continuity that all the Showa Series Has.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:37 am

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:I don't think the Showa era ever went wrong. It was consistent from start to finish. There were some good films, great films and bad films in the 50s, 60s and 70s, and is overall the best series of Toho daikaiju films.


One must admit, however, that the sheer number of films in the Showa series gave Toho more at-bats during the game. If you strike out a few times out of fifteen, it's not as bad a few times out of seven.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:22 pm

Cimmerian Dragon wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:I don't think the Showa era ever went wrong. It was consistent from start to finish. There were some good films, great films and bad films in the 50s, 60s and 70s, and is overall the best series of Toho daikaiju films.


One must admit, however, that the sheer number of films in the Showa series gave Toho more at-bats during the game. If you strike out a few times out of fifteen, it's not as bad a few times out of seven.


Personally, I think the only "strike-outs" during the Showa era were Godzilla Raids Again and All Monsters Attack. Other than that, every film is good on its own merits.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:26 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Cimmerian Dragon wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:I don't think the Showa era ever went wrong. It was consistent from start to finish. There were some good films, great films and bad films in the 50s, 60s and 70s, and is overall the best series of Toho daikaiju films.


One must admit, however, that the sheer number of films in the Showa series gave Toho more at-bats during the game. If you strike out a few times out of fifteen, it's not as bad a few times out of seven.


Personally, I think the only "strike-outs" during the Showa era were Godzilla Raids Again and All Monsters Attack. Other than that, every film is good on its own merits.


Even Godzilla vs Megalon?
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:30 pm

shinmattiathekaiju wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Cimmerian Dragon wrote:One must admit, however, that the sheer number of films in the Showa series gave Toho more at-bats during the game. If you strike out a few times out of fifteen, it's not as bad a few times out of seven.


Personally, I think the only "strike-outs" during the Showa era were Godzilla Raids Again and All Monsters Attack. Other than that, every film is good on its own merits.


Even Godzilla vs Megalon?


Yeah. Godzilla vs. Megalon is so much fun to watch. It knows exactly what it wants to be, and it keeps the audience entertained the entire time. Watching the MST3K version of it is some of the best entertainment you'll get in an hour and a half.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby StonedHope » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:00 pm

To answer the discussion question, "when did the showa age go wrong?": Son of Godzilla.
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The fear was taken out of the monster and never given back.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby Legion1979 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:26 pm

StonedHope wrote:To answer the discussion question, "when did the showa age go wrong?": Son of Godzilla.
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A good film but it was the first trip down a slippery slop.
The fear was taken out of the monster and never given back.


That started with Son of Godzilla? I'd say that started the very first time Godzilla laughed at Kong in 1962.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby Tyler » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:11 pm

Space Hunter M wrote:The very last frame of Terror of Mechagodzilla.

;)


I know you're joking but the music at the end of TOM is heart breaking. It's so emotional. It's like they knew Godzilla wasn't coming back for a while.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby King Caesar » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:17 pm

I think once Ebirah came around with his volleyball skills, something went wrong in the mood department.
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby Tamura » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:26 pm

StonedHope wrote:Image

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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:54 pm

King Caesar wrote:I think once Ebirah came around with his volleyball skills, something went wrong in the mood department.

Well...the mood in the Godzilla films certainly changed (it changed before that, but I won't debate when it started), but who says its a bad mood? The mood in Godzilla films like Ebirah, Horror Of The Deep and Son Of Godzilla is more lighthearted and friendly, but that doesn't mean that the Showa era was going downhill at the point. If anything, it helped save it. A lighthearted Godzilla film is remembered more than the standard serious-toned Godzilla films like Invasion Of The Astro-Monster and Ghidorah, The Three-Headed Monster.

The films at that point where in a decline, and the creators needed to do something to shake things up. Making more lighthearted and non-serious Godzilla films helped to keep Godzilla alive. Not to mention giving us some amazing films like Son Of Godzilla and Ebirah, Horror Of The Deep. The mood was different, but it was far from "wrong".
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Re: Discussion: When did the Showa Age go Wrong?

Postby JVM » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:50 pm

The real question isn't when it went wrong but what went wrong.

Some people like the fun and say it didn't. Some people do and generally agree it occurred in the late '60s.
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