Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby mikelcho » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:03 pm

I just remembered that Godzilla vs. Hedorah wasn't the only anti-pollution kaiju film in 1971.

So was Daiei's Gamera vs. Zigra. and it preceded this film to the movie screens by two months. The similarities end there.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:47 pm

mikelcho wrote:I just remembered that Godzilla vs. Hedorah wasn't the only anti-pollution kaiju film in 1971.

So was Daiei's Gamera vs. Zigra. and it preceded this film to the movie screens by two months. The similarities end there.

I don't recall it being as integral in the story but that doesn't surprise me.

1960's-to 70's were a horrible time for pollution in Japan.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Zarm » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:07 am

Zone Fighter incorporates this prominently in its Ghidorah two-parter as well; a device to clean up the air pollution and end Yokohoma Asthma is the focus that the heroes are trying to protect (even willing to sacrifice their life for it) and the evil aliens are trying to destroy.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby mikelcho » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:18 pm

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mikelcho wrote:I just remembered that Godzilla vs. Hedorah wasn't the only anti-pollution kaiju film in 1971.

So was Daiei's Gamera vs. Zigra. and it preceded this film to the movie screens by a few months. The similarities end there.

I don't recall it being as integral in the story but that doesn't surprise me.

1960's-to 70's were a horrible time for pollution in Japan.

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Postby MaxRebo320 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:31 pm

No mention of Spectreman? Pollution is essentially the theme of the show!
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Xenofauna » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:32 pm

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Inspired by this week's climate strikes as well as based on a poster I made for the climate strike I attended last Friday at the Georgia State Capitol.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:34 pm

Xenofauna wrote:Image

Inspired by this week's climate strikes as well as based on a poster I made for the climate strike I attended last Friday at the Georgia State Capitol.

You made this? I dig it.
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Postby Xenofauna » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:32 am

Thanks! I'm going to be selling prints since I've gotten a lot of requests for that.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Terasawa » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:43 am

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby mikelcho » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:44 pm

MaxRebo320 wrote:No mention of Spectreman? Pollution is essentially the theme of the show!


Didn't even think of this one, thanks.

When did this show premiere? Was it in 1971, too, or was it some other time? How long did it last and how many episodes were made? And did Toho release it, or was it another studio that did it?

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Xenofauna » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:35 am

It wasn't just a Japan thing. The Lorax was not coincidentally published the very same year.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Terasawa » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:36 am

Pollution is also referenced by the aliens in Godzilla vs. Gigan and Terror of Mechagodzilla. In the former, particularly, the aliens mention having left their planet after its dominant species ruined the ecosystem through mass pollution and eventually some sort of nuclear power.

Kinda like what we’re doing with our planet. (:
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Xenofauna » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:29 pm

Don't forget the very intentional setting of Godzilla's Revenge, where Honda was visually criticizing the kinds of environments we were forcing our children to grow up in.

Anyway, it's almost as though we only fixed anything on a superficial level instead of addressing any real systemic issues and that capitalism run amok will be the death of us all! :D

I pissed off a bunch of people on the Facebook Godzilla groups with my poster because they're the sorts who demand their kaiju to be free of any politics, ignorant of the fact that A. Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster has always been wildly political and not just a simple fable about not littering and B. just because things look a little cleaner than the industrial hellscapes of the 70s doesn't mean Banno's film is any less relevant today.

ALTHOUGH, the best kaiju film about the climate crisis is Gamera 3.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby edgaguirus » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:42 am

Godzilla films have been used to send several messages about society. While G vs H is strongarm with its message, others have done it in a subtle way.
It's impossible to separate film and politics or film and society as people will always use film as a platform for messages.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby LockBite » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:23 pm

I used to have a pretty low opinion of this one, but upon rewatching it, I learned how special it really was.

The main issue I had was the pacing of the kaiju scenes. There are moments that drag on and ON, like when Godzilla shoots at sludge in the ocean. But now I see an almost Lynchian quality in them, coupled with outstanding atmosphere that really permeates the whole film. While the music maintains a distinctly campy tone, it works against the visuals. It’s grungy. It’s nasty. And yet it can be colorful, psychedelic even. I’m not saying the film is perfect; it does have issues. But perhaps it’s underrated.

I will say, there’s something cool about being able to show Godzilla vs Hedorah to the uninitiated. Just revealing to others the fact that such a bizarre film exists. Stepping back, this actually seems like one of those outlandish scrapped concepts. Godzilla was going to fight a ghost version of himself. Godzilla was going to fight Batman. Godzilla was going to fight a living blob of sludge against a backdrop of depressing visuals and goofy music. Except it actually happened! We actually got this one. Even if you don’t really care for the movie, think of how special that is.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby MinorBone Good » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:08 pm

Have some news about the never made Godzilla vs. Hedorah II film. Comes from page 225 in THE BIG BOOK OF JAPANESE GIANT MONSTER MOVIES: THE LOST FILMS. I'll just quote the entire thing here, since t's fairly smaller than the other stuff that I find.

Godzilla vs. Hedorah II (1971) For many years there has been a long standing rumor that Yoshimitsu Banno always wished to do a sequel to Godzilla vs. Hedorah wherein the pollution monser reemerges in Africa. However, in a September 2014 interview for Sci-fi Japan TV , Banno says never wrote such a story. "I remember I wrote and provided some scripts for the next Godzilla film, but they weren't Hedorah 2. Though they were rejected because they'd cost too much," he said and unfortunately never elaborates on what these stories entailed. One of these could be another rumored Banno project wherein Godzilla battles a starfish monster spawned by pollution called Godzilla vs. Hitodah in fan circles, though in fact the script was never officially titled. Instead, Banno's idea for a Hedorah 2, revealed during the Sci-fi Japan TV interview, would exclude Godzilla and have Hedorah return to destroy all the rainforests. Hedorah would be opposed by a "big eyed" green algae monster named Midora.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:14 pm

MinorBone Good wrote:Have some news about the never made Godzilla vs. Hedorah II film. Comes from page 225 in THE BIG BOOK OF JAPANESE GIANT MONSTER MOVIES: THE LOST FILMS. I'll just quote the entire thing here, since t's fairly smaller than the other stuff that I find.

Godzilla vs. Hedorah II (1971) For many years there has been a long standing rumor that Yoshimitsu Banno always wished to do a sequel to Godzilla vs. Hedorah wherein the pollution monser reemerges in Africa. However, in a September 2014 interview for Sci-fi Japan TV , Banno says never wrote such a story. "I remember I wrote and provided some scripts for the next Godzilla film, but they weren't Hedorah 2. Though they were rejected because they'd cost too much," he said and unfortunately never elaborates on what these stories entailed. One of these could be another rumored Banno project wherein Godzilla battles a starfish monster spawned by pollution called Godzilla vs. Hitodah in fan circles, though in fact the script was never officially titled. Instead, Banno's idea for a Hedorah 2, revealed during the Sci-fi Japan TV interview, would exclude Godzilla and have Hedorah return to destroy all the rainforests. Hedorah would be opposed by a "big eyed" green algae monster named Midora.

https://www.tohokingdom.com/cutting_roo ... rah_2.html
Gets dicey, as there's quotes of him also talking about a film taking place in Africa, or Hedorah showing up.

The Midora thing was something I noted a few years ago that is recent:
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=22768&p=1199182&hilit=Midora#p1199182

I think what's going on here, is that Banno post Godzilla vs. Hedorah had a lot of ideas that he wanted to make, and wanted to continue making them. It's not the only one, there's various ones like Deathla and even G14. A lot of quotes of him just talking about ideas he had, could have been interpreted to be something that he intended to make, or the same idea just continually evolving.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Major sssspielberg! » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:24 pm

Just watched stoned, skreeonkin perfect movie
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:31 pm

Major sssspielberg! wrote:Just watched stoned, skreeonkin perfect movie

I've watched Godzilla vs. Hedorah about 30 times. I think two of those times I was really high. I remember the entire film being really funny and horrifying. I remember having an almost out of body experience when Hedorah started hitting the bong. Another specific memory is a friend in the group, was laying in her boyfriends lap high as skreeonk, and when Ken started yelling "PAPA" out towards the sea she got really paranoid that her dad was nearby and freaked the skreeonk out. Good times.

I think the great thing about the film is that it works well as an experimental art film, and has a great message, but you can totally enjoy it through "another lens".
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