Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby Dawsbfiremind » Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:23 pm

NSZ wrote:It nosedives in quality after Biollante. And I do mean nosedives, WW2-era plane droning and all.


No, no. I think it was more like this:

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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby HedorahGrabber » Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:24 pm

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NSZ wrote:It nosedives in quality after Biollante. And I do mean nosedives, WW2-era plane droning and all.


No, no. I think it was more like this:

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Hell, even some of the sets are the same quality as that plane
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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby GODZILLA2877 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:48 pm

I wish these scenes were kept in the movie.
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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:33 am

This is more of a subjective thing but I don't view the "strong continuity" as a plus for these films. Not to mention Miki is more of a plot device in some cases.
People always bring up the continuity as a plus for the Heisei series but is that helping the quality of each individual film? I don't think it does, and not to mention it doesn't even bother to develop anyone else over the course of the films..... because no one besides Miki is brought back. Any one else that happens to return later down the line are forgetable characters.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Heisei films they're just not as good as I remember them. I still have a great amount of nostalgia for them but nowadays I'm starting to view the 90s as the actual dark era of Godzilla films.
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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby Maritonic » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:35 am

I've never really thought of these having strong continuity. I'd say they have stronger continuity than the Showa and Millennium Eras, for sure. But the continuity here certainly isn't strong. Couple returning characters, some minor cause and effect with events, and tech evolving. But it's pretty light on all of it, honestly.
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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby eabaker » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:21 am

Maritonic wrote:I've never really thought of these having strong continuity. I'd say they have stronger continuity than the Showa and Millennium Eras, for sure. But the continuity here certainly isn't strong. Couple returning characters, some minor cause and effect with events, and tech evolving. But it's pretty light on all of it, honestly.


Well, he did put "strong continuity" in quotation marks. :)

I will say that I think the development of Baby/Little/Junior over the course of multiple movies helps give some emotional heft to Destroyah, as does Miki's ongoing relationship with Godzilla.

On the whole, though, the continuity is sort of a half measure. Something like giving Gondo a sister and a best friend 4 movies later definitely doesn't land, because the story doesn't really do much with the connection.
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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby KaijuCanuck » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:56 pm

Still the strongest of the franchise as a whole though, unless you count the Kiryu saga or the anime series.
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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby Maritonic » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:57 pm

KaijuCanuck wrote:anime series.


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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby KaijuCanuck » Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:03 pm

Maritonic wrote:
KaijuCanuck wrote:anime series.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaahhaaaaaaa


Strongest continuity, if that wasn’t clear.
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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby Maritonic » Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:08 pm

KaijuCanuck wrote:
Maritonic wrote:
KaijuCanuck wrote:anime series.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaahhaaaaaaa


Strongest continuity, if that wasn’t clear.


Misunderstood that.
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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:25 pm

LegendZilla wrote:Why the skreeonk does this thread even exist? Complaining about the Heisei series is literally what every single other thread is for, which is why my own thread was made to serve as a counterbalance.


Clearly we need a "Say Something Negative About G98" thread.

And it's sequel: "Say Something Negative About the Anime Trilogy."

Edit: Wait. That last one is an actual (albiet locked) thread...
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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby Titanoterror98 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:27 pm

Welp, I might as well get my thoughts out before they lock this down.

Basically, it all comes down to a lack of two things: originality and consistency. I'd say more but you guys have it covered pretty much.
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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby JAGzilla » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:59 pm

Eh... I feel like the lack of originality is exaggerated. Yeah, three of the seven movies starred returning classic kaiju, but all of them were substantially revamped. And then we did get a large number of new kaiju and concepts: Biollante, Battra, Spacegodzilla, Destoroyah, the Super Xes, the psychics, G-Force, etc. The execution of any or all of those things is up for debate, but to call the series unoriginal is a stretch.

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Re: Say Something Negative About The Heisei Series

Postby Grievous » Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:45 am

Honestly...for me...

When the Heisei series is good...its great...fantastic in places...
but as a whole...its incredibly uneven.

I've always wondered how good the Heisei series could have been
if they would have made less films & took more time with the films
they did make.
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