Talkback Thread #5: Ghidorah, the Three Headed Monster(1964)

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Re: Talkback Thread #5: Ghidorah, the Three Headed Monster(1964)

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Praises
  • Love the parallel plot between the humans and the Kaiju. They mix well when needed, but remain separate till the last act.

    The over all pace of the story, 1st act is character and plot introduction, with Rodan, Godzilla, and then King Ghidorah appearing in the 2nd act, the final act is a nicely handled and has plenty of Kaiju scenes and a nice battle if you don’t mind the break in the middle (see nitpicks later).

    Love the build up of investigating the meteor and it’s strange magnetic pull, the mention it is growing in size, and the eventual glowing.

    Dividing the Godzilla Vs. Rodan battle into small snippets, I think staying to long on their fight it would have gotten boring. It was already getting silly when Mothra breaks it up.

    King Ghidorah emerging from the meteor is still one of the best effects of the Showa franchise.

    King Ghidorah gravity beams are some of my favorite effects in the whole franchise. Love the ways they run across the ground causing destruction.

    Still love the Shobijin translating the kaiju’s debate, it made them more then just rampaging monsters, something that stuck through at least the rest of the Showa era.

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  • Hate the saucer people talk in the very beginning and going back for the explanation of how the Princess surived her fall. We don’t see him interacting with anyone in that scene, it is almost like an aside to the audience.

    Malmess is ordered to kill the Princess with royal guards posted right by the doors. Strikes me as odd that you would be so open about murdering another royal.

    The Shobijin appearing on a TV just to give us another song and quick look at the Mothra larva that survived. It seemed forced and just a little to convenient to have them around to get involved with the Princess.

    King Ghidorah isn’t controlled that well in all scenes, often some of his heads are in odd positions. They do a much better job in the next film

    Going back the aerosol breath for Godzilla instead of optical effect because of the rush production

    The break in the 3 on 1 match to watch Malmess try to kill the Princess then catch and hug a boulder. It is only 3 minutes but it takes away from the pace of the film since you see about 3 minutes of kaiju battle before and after the scene. if it was cut into two parts and spliced in better with the battle I think it wouldn’t be as jarring.

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szmigiel wrote:The break in the 3 on 1 match to watch Malmess try to kill the Princess then catch and hug a boulder. It is only 3 minutes but it takes away from the pace of the film since you see about 3 minutes of kaiju battle before and after the scene. if it was cut into two parts and spliced in better with the battle I think it wouldn’t be as jarring.[/list]
This is one respect in which many people (myself included) consider the Americanization and improvement, as it intercuts the two sequences more, and gives a better sense of the rock fall being caused by the fight.
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That part is an improvement, and I don't mind them moving the Ghidorah footage around.

However the two edits;
Godzilla and the boat, where they show him looking a Rodan while dry then cutting back to him still dripping water and destroying the boat.
Then Godzilla coming on land, then cutting to a scene where he was back in the water.

Both those edits are not an improvement.

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One thing that's always baffled me...

The Japanese title is San Daikaiju - Three Giant Monsters...

But there is FOUR of them? How did they work that out?

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You weren't supposed to know King Ghidorah would be in this film.
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Ah I see!

Trailer and poster must have spoiled that one. And the surprise is spoilt on the DVD even if you watch the Japanese version because they call it Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster!

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Golden Bat wrote:One thing that's always baffled me...

The Japanese title is San Daikaiju - Three Giant Monsters...

But there is FOUR of them? How did they work that out?
I always interpreted that as referring to Godzilla, Rodan, and Mothra facing Ghidorah in "The Greatest Battle on Earth".
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UltramanGoji wrote:
Golden Bat wrote:One thing that's always baffled me...

The Japanese title is San Daikaiju - Three Giant Monsters...

But there is FOUR of them? How did they work that out?
I always interpreted that as referring to Godzilla, Rodan, and Mothra facing Ghidorah in "The Greatest Battle on Earth".
Exactly. The heroes are the "Three Giant Monsters."

There are way more than seven samurai in Seven Samurai, but those seven are a unit.
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Ivo-goji wrote:You weren't supposed to know King Ghidorah would be in this film.
Uh... what makes you say that? As Golden Bat noted, he's featured very prominently on the posters and even at the end of the trailer. No one seeing this movie at the theater would have been surprised.
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That's just how I always interpreted the set up of having Godzilla, Mothra, and Rodan cross over in much the same manner as KKvsG and MvsG, only for the appearance of a entirely new monster to provide a 'twist', as explaining the logic behind the title.

Dissonance between how a film reveals a character and how the promotional material reveals a character is pretty common, it never occurred to me to question that, but you've got a point there.
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Ironically enough the film was re-released as Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Greatest Battle on Earth for the Toho Champion Festival, with Rodan being absent from the title.
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King of the Monsters wrote:Ironically enough the film was re-released as Godzilla, Mothra, King Ghidorah: Greatest Battle on Earth for the Toho Champion Festival, with Rodan being absent from the title.
That's what i'm talking about. Rodan's rep got tarnished when he just flew off in DAM. He never recovered from that. Sad.

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So this movie is the original GMK?

No wonder Toho somehow thought such a long name like 'Godzilla x Mothra x King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All Out Attack' was no problem, they were honoring an ancient tradition.
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Just look at the original title of G vs TSM.
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What was the average time of production for a Godzilla movie, during the time? I understand that this movie was pretty rushed, and came out only a few months after Mothra vs. Godzilla, which seems apparent. While I love this movie, it feel like a dip in quality.
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KingKaiju wrote:What was the average time of production for a Godzilla movie, during the time? I understand that this movie was pretty rushed, and came out only a few months after Mothra vs. Godzilla, which seems apparent. While I love this movie, it feel like a dip in quality.
Don't quote me on this, but as far as I know they usually took about 4-5 weeks. Mothra vs Godzilla had an even longer production, which is probably why it stands head and shoulders above the other 60's entries.
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Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:
KingKaiju wrote:What was the average time of production for a Godzilla movie, during the time? I understand that this movie was pretty rushed, and came out only a few months after Mothra vs. Godzilla, which seems apparent. While I love this movie, it feel like a dip in quality.
Don't quote me on this, but as far as I know they usually took about 4-5 weeks. Mothra vs Godzilla had an even longer production, which is probably why it stands head and shoulders above the other 60's entries.
Oooooohhhh, that makes sense. Yeah, that movie is definitely my gold standard for Godzilla movies.
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You really need to realize that the Godzilla movies weren't made in a vacuum. The same Honda crew was working probably nearly continuously in 1963, 1964, and 1965. Atragon was made in a very brief period at the end of '63. Mothra vs. Godzilla, an April release, probably had a very short production schedule too. Certainly Ghidorah was rushed (made during the gap between Dogora's release in August and Ghidorah's release in December), but probably not a whole lot more so than the other tokusatsu films of this period.
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I might be mistaken, though wasn't Ghidorah a last minute affair to substitute for a delayed Kurosawa film? Red Beard I think?

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kamilleblu wrote:I might be mistaken, though wasn't Ghidorah a last minute affair to substitute for a delayed Kurosawa film? Red Beard I think?
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