Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby Ookondru99 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:12 pm

Personally, this is my favorite of the '70's godzilla movies to watch. It may not have the most intricate plot and it may use stock footage, but it is the quintessential 70's movie in my eyes. Godzilla being the (super)hero, multiple kaiju participating in brawls, and the enemy monster being used by the aliens. The human cast is somewhat memorable and gigans design is awesome.
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby edgaguirus » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:57 pm

Not to mention that the main cast aren't scientist or soldiers. They're ordinary people, and these ordinary people succeed against an advanced foe.
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby eabaker » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:14 pm

And they win the day with the power of manga artwork! (Okay, and some explosives.)
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby Godzillian » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:46 am

I wish this has the budget of earlier films. It's so good that with a larger budget it would be even better
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby Shobijin » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:38 pm

I've officially given up listening to the naysayers, "consensus", and reading listed rankings of Godzilla movies. Son of Godzilla, All Monsters Attack, Godzilla Raids Again, and now Godzilla vs Gigan were supposed to be some of the most unwatchable bad G-movies of all time. Rewatching G-movies in order with new eyes (Japanese originals only), the funny/cheesy Showa films are still fantastic as they were in my previous viewings.

Granted, the SFX/toys/costumes were bad, there was too much swimming, and the plot was wacky, but I actually liked the geeky humans in this (especially the ladies and heavyset guy, and being a comic book artist is cool). The villains acted poorly but they WERE cockroaches- what should we expect? The stock footage did not bother me at all. I think the production was marvelous considering the shoestring budget. My main confusion was Godzilla and Anguirus speaking to each other like a tape recorder gone bad.

I felt bad for Anguirus getting beat up, and Godzilla really got hurt, the rampage scenes were awesome, and the songs were cool.

Pretty cool movie, although ridiculous and cheap looking. It is in middle of the pack in the first 12 Godzilla movies for me, not at the bottom like others.

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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby eabaker » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:49 pm

Yeah, this one has always held a pretty solid ranking for me. Not top 10, but well above the bottom of the barrel. It's so much goofy fun, and so self-consciously and unabashedly comic-bookish in its tone and style (a fact is absolutely acknowledges through its choice of main character), I feel like you have to be kind of a joyless person not to appreciate it to some degree.
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Postby SomeknowmeasXeno » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:14 pm

^ Agreed. And to give the english dub a bit more credit, I'm fine with the idea of kaiju 'talking' to one another through telepathy, I just wish their, well, telepathic voices fit their characters/designs.
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby Legion1979 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:36 am

I always though it was funny that often the same people who trash the four movie Shobijin just listed are the same ones who'll forgive the flaws of movies like Godzilla vs Mothra or Godzilla vs Destroyah...

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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby jackzilla » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:44 pm

I think this one is just OK. The human story and characters are kinda cool, but the cockroach villains are stupid, none of the monsters show up for an hour in, the scene with Godzilla and Angurius talking is so weird, the scene of Gigan and King Ghidorah fighting the military for like 10 minutes is dull, and the very final scene is terrible, BUT...It has entertaining moments, especially the big climatic battle at the end of Godzilla and Angirus vs Gigan and King Ghidorah. That fight makes this movie worth watching.

Overall, I'd say this one has a lot of good moments, but just as many bad. It's 50% good, 50% bad. I'd probably give it a solid 6/10.
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby eabaker » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:48 pm

jackzilla wrote:the cockroach villains are stupid


I don't find them particularly more or less stupid than any other Toho alien invaders.
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby Stevo_1985 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:28 pm

eabaker wrote:
jackzilla wrote:the cockroach villains are stupid


I don't find them particularly more or less stupid than any other Toho alien invaders.


When compared to the likes of the Devo's of MZ, the Slug people of DaM, and the ape people of MG/ToM I would say they are pretty tame.

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This bit always confused me.. It's been a LONG LONG time since I've seen this so I don't remember every bit of the movie but why the giant poster? Couldn't they have just sent up the explosives? If I recall as well is was b&w.. that suppose to fool someone? :eh:
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby edgaguirus » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:12 pm

They could have just sent up a bomb, but that would have gone against the theme of the movie. This film has a theme of over dependence on machines. The roaches had absolute trust in their machines and weapons, and then they lose to people whom are able to think and act without computers or machines. All they need is imagination and some explosives. Besides, the roaches wouldn't be expecting a drawing in the elevator.
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Megalon went into a bar and saw Gigan. Megalon said, " Again? I thought you gave this up."
" What can I say," Gigan asked. " I'm hooked."

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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby TitanoGoji16 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:36 pm

What I love about the poster is that how much time Gengo must have spent simply drawing the thing. How much suffering did Godzilla and Anguirus go through while he doodled up a poster of him and his friends? There's no way he just so happened to have a self made poster of him, his bitchy girlfriend, and two crazy people he just met laying around. The assault on the Godzilla Tower probably could have begun hours earlier if they didn't have to wait for him to make the poster.
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby daveblackeye15 » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:43 am

Oh and the crazy woman's brother scientist so that's five people.

It reminds me of the Interpol agent using some string to turn on his car in Mechagodzilla. Not quite as fridge 'wait a minute' as the drawing but up there.

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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby eabaker » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:56 am

The drawing is only a fridge moment if you're looking for naturalism of any kind in the movie.
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby LegendZilla » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:37 pm

Even if they had enough budget for an original soundtrack, I doubt Ifukube would've been willing to do the score.
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby edgaguirus » Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:56 pm

The music score was just fine in my opinion. It fit the tone of the movie.
Kaiju are just like people- giant, radioactive people.

Megalon went into a bar and saw Gigan. Megalon said, " Again? I thought you gave this up."
" What can I say," Gigan asked. " I'm hooked."

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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby mschenk » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:14 pm

I'm actually thinking of picking this one up finally, along with Megalon and Godzilla's Revenge. Those, along with Son of Godzilla and Space Godzilla, are the only ones I don't own. I saw them as a kid, but haven't bothered since because I heard they were bottom of the barrel G movies. And maybe they are (or maybe they'll surprise me), but I'm in a mood for just a goofy/fun G movie. Plus I've got young kids who will probably appreciate them at some point, and Gigan is one of my favorite monsters.

I also want to finally get King Kong Escapes.

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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby Stevo_1985 » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:50 pm

mschenk wrote:I'm actually thinking of picking this one up finally, along with Megalon and Godzilla's Revenge. Those, along with Son of Godzilla and Space Godzilla, are the only ones I don't own. I saw them as a kid, but haven't bothered since because I heard they were bottom of the barrel G movies. And maybe they are (or maybe they'll surprise me), but I'm in a mood for just a goofy/fun G movie. Plus I've got young kids who will probably appreciate them at some point, and Gigan is one of my favorite monsters.

I also want to finally get King Kong Escapes.



Gigan. He's so ridiculous but it works. I have Godzilla revenge still in its original shrink wrap. Gotta have a complete set!
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Re: Talkback Thread #12: Godzilla vs. Gigan (1972)

Postby eabaker » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:04 pm

mschenk wrote:I'm actually thinking of picking this one up finally, along with Megalon and Godzilla's Revenge. Those, along with Son of Godzilla and Space Godzilla, are the only ones I don't own. I saw them as a kid, but haven't bothered since because I heard they were bottom of the barrel G movies. And maybe they are (or maybe they'll surprise me), but I'm in a mood for just a goofy/fun G movie. Plus I've got young kids who will probably appreciate them at some point, and Gigan is one of my favorite monsters.

I also want to finally get King Kong Escapes.


I would definitely not call Son of Godzilla or Gigan bottom of the barrel. I think Son is the best G-flick Jun Fukuda directed; the cast are really engaging, and Sadamasa Arikawa's effects sequences generally make better use - to my sensibilities - of the widescreen frame than most of Tsuburaya's or Nakano's. Gigan is a bit more of a period oddity, but the absurdity is really embraced in the script, the production design, and the direction. It's one of the most explicitly post-modernist Godzilla movie (King Kong vs. Godzilla, Godzilla vs. Hedorah and maybe Final Wars are about the only other obvious examples).
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