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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby JVM » Mon May 02, 2016 2:24 am

Wonder how much effort it'd take to get a STE re-release via the PlayStation Store or something similar? Probably a stretch, but it'd be nice. And an enabled Bio would be much more of a stretch but a nice treat. I'm being too optimistic, probably.

Always wanted to play STE online, but never had the pleasure. Any time I asked for assistance about getting my PS2 online, I was always, always, always told to just buy a PS3.

But yeah, GU PS2 Biollante seemed like a no-brainer when it was in development. I'm still shocked it never happened.
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby CheetoKamper » Mon May 02, 2016 11:04 am

JVM wrote:Wonder how much effort it'd take to get a STE re-release via the PlayStation Store or something similar? Probably a stretch, but it'd be nice. And an enabled Bio would be much more of a stretch but a nice treat. I'm being too optimistic, probably.

Always wanted to play STE online, but never had the pleasure. Any time I asked for assistance about getting my PS2 online, I was always, always, always told to just buy a PS3.

But yeah, GU PS2 Biollante seemed like a no-brainer when it was in development. I'm still shocked it never happened.


It'd probably take a lot, I'd assume you'd first need an ok from TOHO on it, then find a team to port it over and do any improvements they could do to it. But really before any of that can happen you'd need demand and there simply just isn't enough demand for it for Sony to want to spend that money, especially with how "well" the last Godzilla game was revived you'd need a TON of demand for it even to be considered. But ontop of that it'd be better to try and get the Xbox version re-released if anything, being the better version and all.

They probably didn't want to put in the time to when they knew it was essentially destined to be the inferior version to the Wii version. They never planned on doing a ps2 version at all. Battra was already in the game before just in a different role all they did was reskin Mothra and her attacks for the adult form and the larva form wasn't really much different either. Then they reskined Orga for Obsidious and added the new maps and that was basically it. They likely didn't have time to really polish off Biollante nor did they likely want to when the ps2 version basically was a last minute choice and honestly they never should've bothered with it and just focused on polishing the Wii version instead of basically porting over a rather slow version of STE and changing a few things, when the psp version got dropped they should've gone all hands on deck for the Wii version or hell even the DS version but instead they decided (or were told to) poop out a new ps2 game in 4 months which is pretty obnoxious. While it may seem like a no brainer to add Biollante at the end of the day the simple fact is they probably didn't care enough to add anything more than they needed to and I honestly wouldn't blame them were that the case, in all honesty Atari is mostly to blame for a lot of the short comings of GU, especially the ps2 version.
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby SomeknowmeasXeno » Mon May 02, 2016 1:36 pm

And yet PS2 Unleashed is my favourite game of the trilogy and I consider the Wii edition to be an embarrassment. Heh, strange isn't it? My mentality is that there wasn't a need to fix what ain't broken, StE was great and PS2 Unleashed is StE with an RPG story. Fine by me. But I can understand why people might not like PS2 Unleashed... though how they like the god awful gameplay of Wii Unleashed baffles me. Plus isn't StE just an updated DAMM? Why do people give PS2 Unleashed poop for being StE 1.5 when StE is DAMM 1.5 at the end of the day?
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Mon May 02, 2016 2:52 pm

SomeknowmeasXeno wrote:Why do people give PS2 Unleashed poop for being StE 1.5 when StE is DAMM 1.5 at the end of the day?


Because there's only two new monsters in G:U PS2, and they're just clones of Mothra and Orga. Save the Earth had six new monsters with completely different move-sets, and the Wii version of G:U had eight new monsters with only two clones (G 54 and Mechagodzilla 1) among them.
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby The Godzilla King » Mon May 02, 2016 3:11 pm

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SomeknowmeasXeno wrote:Why do people give PS2 Unleashed poop for being StE 1.5 when StE is DAMM 1.5 at the end of the day?
and the Wii version of G:U had eight new monsters with only two clones (G 54 and Mechagodzilla 1) among them.


Ghidorah and MKG were also clones in GU.
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

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SomeknowmeasXeno wrote:Plus isn't StE just an updated DAMM? Why do people give PS2 Unleashed poop for being StE 1.5 when StE is DAMM 1.5 at the end of the day?


After playing it myself, I have a little more appreciation for PS2 GU. Its biggest drawbacks are the controls (will occasionally go nearly completely unresponsive while running around); the crazy long loading times; awful frame rates on stages that aren't the Vortaak mothership, especially on 4-player matches; and the terrible throwing physics... which can be absolutely hilarious.

PS2 GU is GSTE 1.2, but GSTE is more like GDAMM 1.9. There are many changes to the physics, animations, a much more extreme elemental system, tons of stages, and plenty of new monsters from GDAMM to GSTE. GSTE to PS2 GU... it takes most of GSTE's best parts, but makes them worse in some ways (controls, graphics, physics, loss of many stages). It's like a corrupted copy-paste.
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Mon May 02, 2016 3:13 pm

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SomeknowmeasXeno wrote:Why do people give PS2 Unleashed poop for being StE 1.5 when StE is DAMM 1.5 at the end of the day?
and the Wii version of G:U had eight new monsters with only two clones (G 54 and Mechagodzilla 1) among them.


Ghidorah and MKG were also clones in GU.


They were clones in all three games, so I didn't include them.
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby JVM » Mon May 02, 2016 5:33 pm

Just want to note -- I bought GU PS2 the day it was available, and the Wii version a week after release. I've played STE since mid-2005. I also own DAMM on Xbox and GameCube. So I have experience with all of the console games, although my experience with STE on Xbox is severely limited. I just wanted to clarify since it seems like some people only own one version.

And yet PS2 Unleashed is my favourite game of the trilogy and I consider the Wii edition to be an embarrassment. Heh, strange isn't it? My mentality is that there wasn't a need to fix what ain't broken, StE was great and PS2 Unleashed is StE with an RPG story. Fine by me. But I can understand why people might not like PS2 Unleashed... though how they like the god awful gameplay of Wii Unleashed baffles me. Plus isn't StE just an updated DAMM? Why do people give PS2 Unleashed poop for being StE 1.5 when StE is DAMM 1.5 at the end of the day?

GU PS2 is essentially, what STE was supposed to be before story mode fell so far behind that it had to be gutted and rebuilt as Action Mode and the challenges. The story would've been different and I don't think there would've been factions, but the RPG elements originated there.

My only major issues with the PS2 version of GU were rooted in the fact it doesn't run as smoothly as STE -- the loading times are longer and the frame rate issues. Those were not as present or pronounced in STE. I'm also annoyed by the way the Seattle lava makes the character twitch, I commend the Pipeworks' teams efforts to re-create the game in a few months, including the arenas and story mode, but the fact it contains no fully new monsters from STE (though Battra and Obsidius do have new models and a few new animations, they still share a lot with Mothra and Orga, as oft-mentioned) is a dig, along with the inability to run smoothly. The "corrupted coypy-paste" comparison is apt - I'd usually just rather pop in STE.

For eight years now, I've known the controls to the Wii version like the back of my hand, and I've never experienced any severe gameplay problems since. I mean, mind you, I don't let my friends pick Destoroyah :P
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Mon May 02, 2016 6:09 pm

JVM wrote: I mean, mind you, I don't let my friends pick Destoroyah :P


Lawl. My brother and I had a mutual ban on using Destoroyah back in the day. He was only for Player vs AI fights.
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby CheetoKamper » Mon May 02, 2016 6:45 pm

SomeknowmeasXeno wrote:Why do people give PS2 Unleashed poop for being StE 1.5 when StE is DAMM 1.5 at the end of the day?


Because unlike "DAMM 1.5" (which is ridiculous to call STE that for so many reasons) GU ps2 didn't improve anything from the previous game, in fact it was a shittier version of STE. It's basically STE with way too much gravity gravity, no juggling making the throws totally useless, none of the monsters move-sets were changed in the least, rages were removed for "critical mass" which in that version was literally just glowing red and nothing really impressive came from having it either. STE actually improved and added new things to it's predecessor while the ps2 GU arguably is a barely playable version of STE with it's controls that just randomly go unresponsive. It's not because it's almost literally a port of STE but it's a shitty port because there was no time to actually make it good. Oh and there was no online either which was a fairly big draw of STE.
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby SomeknowmeasXeno » Mon May 02, 2016 10:25 pm

Never had any framerate issues with my copy, unless I got that rare instance where a power crystal pops up inbetween a fight as both sides attack. But even that was only for like a few seconds. I do remember that throws are skreeonked in that game though and that bothers me to this day because I love the eccentric poop throws pulled. Still, the story is damn good, for a fighting game, and that makes up for it in my eyes. Wish there were non-infected stages though.
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby Goji » Tue May 03, 2016 6:06 am

SomeknowmeasXeno wrote: I mean we got Super Star Wars, a fun game even with its difficulty, and who the skreeonk asked for that? Yeah it was promoting the new films, but still: if we can get a game like Super Star Wars we should be allowed a port of StE or Unleashed.

Some interesting logic you have going on there.

I mean, it's Star Wars; which is infinitely more popular than Godzilla ever could be. That's the reality of the situation. Plus, the Super Star Wars games were very popular in their day, so re-releasing them on a modern console in wake of a new Star Wars film isn't even remotely weird.

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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby SomeknowmeasXeno » Tue May 03, 2016 7:52 am

I wouldn't say Godzilla is immensely far behind Star Wars in terms of popularity, yes it's popularity has dipped in the past decade or so (be it over-saturation or poor marketing or the Gen 1-ers just being Gen 1-ers and giving Toho flak) but the series did for kaiju films, and japanese cinema in general, what Star Wars did for science fiction, if not more so considering it is the more experienced franchise out of age alone. Yes, Godzilla will probably never compete with Star Wars on a solid level again but that doesn't mean it don't have, or hasn't had, the potential to try. Personally, as big of a Star Wars fan I am, I'm more likely to go see a new Godzilla film before I am the next Star Wars: simply because I was exposed to Godzilla first and the Big G is one of my childhood heroes, but I will also definitely support every new Star Wars film... as pissed as I am at them erasing the extended universe... though anything after Episode 6 in terms of extended universe was either meh or just complete poop in my opinion: it's the fact they've touched stuff inbetween the films and before them that annoys me, but I digress. Still, I can't help but feel as if I'm receiving a bit of ridicule for my view on the matter, but what do I know?
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SomeknowmeasXeno wrote:I wouldn't say Godzilla is immensely far behind Star Wars in terms of popularity, yes it's popularity has dipped in the past decade or so (be it over-saturation or poor marketing or the Gen 1-ers just being Gen 1-ers and giving Toho flak) but the series did for kaiju films, and japanese cinema in general, what Star Wars did for science fiction, if not more so considering it is the more experienced franchise out of age alone. Yes, Godzilla will probably never compete with Star Wars on a solid level again but that doesn't mean it don't have, or hasn't had, the potential to try. Personally, as big of a Star Wars fan I am, I'm more likely to go see a new Godzilla film before I am the next Star Wars: simply because I was exposed to Godzilla first and the Big G is one of my childhood heroes, but I will also definitely support every new Star Wars film... as pissed as I am at them erasing the extended universe... though anything after Episode 6 in terms of extended universe was either meh or just complete poop in my opinion: it's the fact they've touched stuff inbetween the films and before them that annoys me, but I digress. Still, I can't help but feel as if I'm receiving a bit of ridicule for my view on the matter, but what do I know?


Hate to burst your bubble but Star Wars was, is, and always will be MUCH bigger than Godzilla. It's never been close. Godzilla is huge yes and it reaches all over the world but Star Wars does that in spades. Do you mean Godzilla has lost popularity? Because if that's the case you're pretty wrong considering there's probably been more Godzilla fans in the last 5 or 6 years than ever before. It's nothing to do with over-saturation or poor marketing at the end of the day it's just simple facts. The impact of Godzilla on films of the genre is huge yes and in fact even had a slight bit of impact on films like Star Wars but much like Godzilla eclipsed the popularity of King Kong to the point that everyone seems to forget that King Kong is basically a father film to Godzilla a lot of films like Star Wars that used some techniques perfected by people who made the early Godzilla films have totally eclipsed Godzilla which is actually a good thing. But yeah to say the amount of Godzilla fans has dipped doesn't really hold much water. The past 10 Godzilla Fests have only increased in terms of fans coming in for the weekend and filling up multiple hotels in Chicago full of Godzilla fans. I'm also an admin on a Godzilla facebook group that went from maybe 2,000 members when Godzilla 2014 was announced to over 26,000 members now. Actually speaking of Facebook I looked to see how many people liked Star Wars as a page and there's over 17 million people there. Guess how many Godzilla has, over 2 million it's really not even close at all.
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby SomeknowmeasXeno » Tue May 03, 2016 11:17 am

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SomeknowmeasXeno wrote:I wouldn't say Godzilla is immensely far behind Star Wars in terms of popularity, yes it's popularity has dipped in the past decade or so (be it over-saturation or poor marketing or the Gen 1-ers just being Gen 1-ers and giving Toho flak) but the series did for kaiju films, and japanese cinema in general, what Star Wars did for science fiction, if not more so considering it is the more experienced franchise out of age alone. Yes, Godzilla will probably never compete with Star Wars on a solid level again but that doesn't mean it don't have, or hasn't had, the potential to try. Personally, as big of a Star Wars fan I am, I'm more likely to go see a new Godzilla film before I am the next Star Wars: simply because I was exposed to Godzilla first and the Big G is one of my childhood heroes, but I will also definitely support every new Star Wars film... as pissed as I am at them erasing the extended universe... though anything after Episode 6 in terms of extended universe was either meh or just complete poop in my opinion: it's the fact they've touched stuff inbetween the films and before them that annoys me, but I digress. Still, I can't help but feel as if I'm receiving a bit of ridicule for my view on the matter, but what do I know?


Hate to burst your bubble but Star Wars was, is, and always will be MUCH bigger than Godzilla. It's never been close. Godzilla is huge yes and it reaches all over the world but Star Wars does that in spades. Do you mean Godzilla has lost popularity? Because if that's the case you're pretty wrong considering there's probably been more Godzilla fans in the last 5 or 6 years than ever before. It's nothing to do with over-saturation or poor marketing at the end of the day it's just simple facts. The impact of Godzilla on films of the genre is huge yes and in fact even had a slight bit of impact on films like Star Wars but much like Godzilla eclipsed the popularity of King Kong to the point that everyone seems to forget that King Kong is basically a father film to Godzilla a lot of films like Star Wars that used some techniques perfected by people who made the early Godzilla films have totally eclipsed Godzilla which is actually a good thing. But yeah to say the amount of Godzilla fans has dipped doesn't really hold much water. The past 10 Godzilla Fests have only increased in terms of fans coming in for the weekend and filling up multiple hotels in Chicago full of Godzilla fans. I'm also an admin on a Godzilla facebook group that went from maybe 2,000 members when Godzilla 2014 was announced to over 26,000 members now. Actually speaking of Facebook I looked to see how many people liked Star Wars as a page and there's over 17 million people there. Guess how many Godzilla has, over 2 million it's really not even close at all.


I never said the amount of fans has dipped, I just said I don't see the franchise being talked about as much: the most recent things I've seen (other than hype for Resurgence, which I want to go to Japan to see on opening week if finances are good enough), sadly enough, is the hate Godzilla Generations 3... I'm sorry Godzilla: The Game gets: and I really enjoy that game, big fan of the Generations games and love the movie-accuracy, but I'm not gonna pretend like there aren't reasons for the hate. I guess it's a case of the minorities speaking up over the majorities again that I haven't seen a lot of Godzilla notification. Plus I've never gone to a convention and have never looked into the numbers involved in them. I am however going to go join/follow that Godzilla group on Facebook you mentioned. I assume it's the first result, the one with the poster for 54 movie? Can you correct me if I'm wrong?
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Postby CheetoKamper » Tue May 03, 2016 1:06 pm

SomeknowmeasXeno wrote:I never said the amount of fans has dipped, I just said I don't see the franchise being talked about as much: the most recent things I've seen (other than hype for Resurgence, which I want to go to Japan to see on opening week if finances are good enough), sadly enough, is the hate Godzilla Generations 3... I'm sorry Godzilla: The Game gets: and I really enjoy that game, big fan of the Generations games and love the movie-accuracy, but I'm not gonna pretend like there aren't reasons for the hate. I guess it's a case of the minorities speaking up over the majorities again that I haven't seen a lot of Godzilla notification. Plus I've never gone to a convention and have never looked into the numbers involved in them. I am however going to go join/follow that Godzilla group on Facebook you mentioned. I assume it's the first result, the one with the poster for 54 movie? Can you correct me if I'm wrong?

Well popularity is literally determined by the amount of fans as well as how much it's talked about, more fans = more people talking. There hasn't been anything Godzilla for people to really talk about since 2014 other than speculating about the next movies and Toho's movie which has finally started to show signs of life again. The fact is there really isn't much more to talk about with Godzilla it's not a big booming and expanding by the minute franchise it's a smaller niche fan base and honestly it's better that way there's enough diversity in the Godzilla fandom as there is, being a significantly smaller one it still chugs along just fine there's no need for it to be as big or nearly as big as Star Wars because that's usually when things really start to hit the fan in some aspects. No it should have a picture of the 2016 Godzilla and 26 thousand plus members.
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Postby SomeknowmeasXeno » Tue May 03, 2016 1:46 pm

Okay. Thanks.
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Postby Chris55 » Tue May 03, 2016 5:27 pm

JVM wrote:Wonder how much effort it'd take to get a STE re-release via the PlayStation Store or something similar? Probably a stretch, but it'd be nice. And an enabled Bio would be much more of a stretch but a nice treat. I'm being too optimistic, probably.

Always wanted to play STE online, but never had the pleasure. Any time I asked for assistance about getting my PS2 online, I was always, always, always told to just buy a PS3.

But yeah, GU PS2 Biollante seemed like a no-brainer when it was in development. I'm still shocked it never happened.


It depends on Atari really. But, they seem to be more focused on Rollercoaster Tycoon etc.
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Postby JVM » Sat May 07, 2016 8:46 pm

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JVM wrote:Wonder how much effort it'd take to get a STE re-release via the PlayStation Store or something similar? Probably a stretch, but it'd be nice. And an enabled Bio would be much more of a stretch but a nice treat. I'm being too optimistic, probably.

Always wanted to play STE online, but never had the pleasure. Any time I asked for assistance about getting my PS2 online, I was always, always, always told to just buy a PS3.

But yeah, GU PS2 Biollante seemed like a no-brainer when it was in development. I'm still shocked it never happened.


It depends on Atari really. But, they seem to be more focused on Rollercoaster Tycoon etc.


I'd love to push for it, but I don't know the mechanics of such a thing. I'm not the right person for it. I'd download it for XBLA in a heartbeat though, or the PStore if I were to get a PS4.
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Re: Godzilla: Save the Earth discussion

Postby Mr. Strange » Wed May 11, 2016 2:10 pm

Kaiju-King42 wrote:
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Kaiju-King42 wrote:and the Wii version of G:U had eight new monsters with only two clones (G 54 and Mechagodzilla 1) among them.


Ghidorah and MKG were also clones in GU.


They were clones in all three games, so I didn't include them.


This makes me sad. They were very similar in G:DAMM, but in G:StE and G:U they were VERY VERY different.


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