I will fight you!Kaiser wrote:Speak for yourself, I always thought King Ghidorah's attack on Fukuoka was a pretty great sequence even with the 'hovering' effects.
Though to be serious I could go on a tirade about how terrible Ghidorah's Scenes are.
I will fight you!Kaiser wrote:Speak for yourself, I always thought King Ghidorah's attack on Fukuoka was a pretty great sequence even with the 'hovering' effects.
True, but it wasn't due to a lack of effort it's just the entire budget was massively slashed, it was all they could do with what they had. now they could easily have shortened that whole sequence to a minute and it would have had the same effect and convey the same massage and in truth the effects could have looked better on those scenes, if they didn't stretch it out for the simple purpose of filler.Kaiser wrote:The Fukuoka scene at least uses miniatures whereas Godzilla's march through Kyushu is just green screen and superimposed explosions. Some shots do actually look pretty cool, but the whole thing gets really tiring after about two minutes which is about how long the scene goes on if I remember correctly. Flawed as the effects in King Ghidorah may be, Kawakita was at least putting some effort in as compared to this film.
Seriously, stop doing that whole little "I'll fight you" thing everytime someone disagrees with you, it sounds really immature every time you do it.g2vd wrote:I will fight you!Kaiser wrote:Speak for yourself, I always thought King Ghidorah's attack on Fukuoka was a pretty great sequence even with the 'hovering' effects.
Though to be serious I could go on a tirade about how terrible Ghidorah's Scenes are.
Exactly, I do it to make a joke about people's reactions you know who I refer too.Lain Of The Wired wrote:Seriously, stop doing that whole little "I'll fight you" thing everytime someone disagrees with you, it sounds really immature every time you do it.
People have different opinions, deal with it.
I do agree I like the concept of the plot and it's ideas, the problem is I find it's excutection completely terrible read the last 5 pages of the GVKG thread to see my reasonings, and why I hate the destruction scenes in GVKG.Lain Of The Wired wrote:Seriously, stop doing that whole little "I'll fight you" thing everytime someone disagrees with you, it sounds really immature every time you do it.g2vd wrote:I will fight you!Kaiser wrote:Speak for yourself, I always thought King Ghidorah's attack on Fukuoka was a pretty great sequence even with the 'hovering' effects.
Though to be serious I could go on a tirade about how terrible Ghidorah's Scenes are.
People have different opinions, deal with it.
And the Ghidorah destruction scene in GvKG is FAR better than the scene you guy's are talking about. All it takes is effort, the only thing really wrong is just how weird the flying Ghidorah prop looks from time to time, an that doesn wen have to do with the miniature/CGI thing
An what the fucks with people trashing GvKG all of a sudden?
It's got probably the most unique plot out of the rest of Heisei, not saying its not flawed, because damn is has a lot, but it's far better than this movie, by a long shot.
tymon wrote:Man, it really makes me laugh when I remember that all this drama is centered around a fictional, giant atomic monster. Damn you, Godzilla!
Gawdziller wrote:Doesn't matter what's moot or not. We'll just move onto the next thing to bitch about, then tangent onto something unrelated and bitch about that, and get trollbaited back on topic so we can bitch some more. It's the circle of life.
Really? It didn't seem that 'better' in retrospect in contrast with the other parts of it but it was an interesting thing to see tried out in the Heisei era.Captain Aktion wrote:I'm the weirdo who thinks it's a better film before Space Godzilla actually shows up and that the quality of it decreases at an almost exact degree that his screentime increases. I was kind of charmed by an attempt at a smaller scale, slightly more intimate return to the "Island" films from the Showa era. To be clear, I don't necessarily think that segment of the film is good, but I would've rather it stayed in that mode.
tymon wrote:Man, it really makes me laugh when I remember that all this drama is centered around a fictional, giant atomic monster. Damn you, Godzilla!
Gawdziller wrote:Doesn't matter what's moot or not. We'll just move onto the next thing to bitch about, then tangent onto something unrelated and bitch about that, and get trollbaited back on topic so we can bitch some more. It's the circle of life.
I guess that the idea of keeping it there on the island and being about mismatched heroes teamed up with a lone ranger type, hopping around an island guerrilla attacking and observing Godzilla while he raises his son and then wards off another monster is really appealing to me. Simple, but it would've been neat. Hell, it'd be kind of cool for it to be like a "lost adventure" of the Heisei era. Like, everything takes place on the island and when it's all over Moguera is wrecked and Godzilla has moved on and there's just a handful of people left with a crazy, unbelievable story about a "Godzilla from space". *shrug* This movie needs all the meta thinking it can get to stay bearable.Giga Kaiju wrote: Really? It didn't seem that 'better' in retrospect in contrast with the other parts of it but it was an interesting thing to see tried out in the Heisei era.
tymon wrote:Man, it really makes me laugh when I remember that all this drama is centered around a fictional, giant atomic monster. Damn you, Godzilla!
Gawdziller wrote:Doesn't matter what's moot or not. We'll just move onto the next thing to bitch about, then tangent onto something unrelated and bitch about that, and get trollbaited back on topic so we can bitch some more. It's the circle of life.
Well, at least they would've maybe had the budget to handle something smaller. That was my main problem with Heisei; everyone tried to be progressively "bigger" while the budgets shrank/shuffled off screen.Giga Kaiju wrote:Hehe. It'd be kind of interesting to have seen 'contained' story in an island about Godzilla and co. but I figured that the Island would have been 'little' for such a concept like SPACEGODZILLA.
Hmm. Makes sense. Didn't know exactly that the budgets were an actual trouble that the Heisei series had in that way. (One can still learn stuff even to this day if that's the case.)Captain Aktion wrote:Well, at least they would've maybe had the budget to handle something smaller. That was my main problem with Heisei; everyone tried to be progressively "bigger" while the budgets shrank/shuffled off screen.Giga Kaiju wrote:Hehe. It'd be kind of interesting to have seen 'contained' story in an island about Godzilla and co. but I figured that the Island would have been 'little' for such a concept like SPACEGODZILLA.
tymon wrote:Man, it really makes me laugh when I remember that all this drama is centered around a fictional, giant atomic monster. Damn you, Godzilla!
Gawdziller wrote:Doesn't matter what's moot or not. We'll just move onto the next thing to bitch about, then tangent onto something unrelated and bitch about that, and get trollbaited back on topic so we can bitch some more. It's the circle of life.
Really, the only gripe I have is how long it runs. Had there been a shorter cut, I think it would've been much more enjoyable. The fights are creative and fun, the new monster designs are great (specifically Moguera), and I love the yakuza subplot. There's one scene too many of Yuki's bathing ass, but hey, to each their own.LSD Jellyfish wrote:Regarding the budget a lot of people complain about an infamous scene where Godzilla's tail goes up and you can see it falling apart. While it's true if you pause it you can notice it it's not really noticeable unless you're specifically looking for it and pause it. I'm not excusing it, I just feel like as with a lot of the films in the franchise it's the chosen scapegoat of the era. Even if it does have flaws and a small budget it still has a noticeably higher budget and effects than the Showa films.
Again I'd like to say GVSG isn't an amazing film, or one of the better Godzilla films, just defend that it's not unwatchable or shit like so many people here make it out to be. I've defended other unlinked films like GFW like this so it's possible I'm just an optimist and prefer not to focus on the negatives.
/crawls back under rockMecha M wrote:[after seeing Shin Godzilla's design] Looks like partially cooked carne asada
tymon wrote:Man, it really makes me laugh when I remember that all this drama is centered around a fictional, giant atomic monster. Damn you, Godzilla!
Gawdziller wrote:Doesn't matter what's moot or not. We'll just move onto the next thing to bitch about, then tangent onto something unrelated and bitch about that, and get trollbaited back on topic so we can bitch some more. It's the circle of life.
I've got a really good feeling I know why most people get...perturbed about that scene. But I'll refrain from saying.LSD Jellyfish wrote:The ass shot is pretty much the height of it, serving absolutely zero purpose.
That moment when you hear that a literal 'ass-shot' has ACTUALLY meaning and it is so important to a character.Captain Aktion wrote:I've got a really good feeling I know why most people get...perturbed about that scene. But I'll refrain from saying.LSD Jellyfish wrote:The ass shot is pretty much the height of it, serving absolutely zero purpose.
Now, while I admit it's up for debate about how necessary the scene is, it does serve some narrative purpose. It clearly is set up to show that Yuki is a self-sufficient survivalist who's been "in the trees" for so long that he's either lost or just doesn't care about basic decorum, like covering his ass in front of people, and that these guys are totally contemptible to him. The immediate shot after or before, if I recall correctly, has the other two guys looking at him with a mix of frustration and bewilderment. It reinforces the differences between the three of them and it lays out that not only does Yuki not give a damn if "his ass is hanging out" but that he probably even gets a little kick out of provocation and sticking it to the "squares". The fact that the other two soldiers mean so little to him that basic things that we take for granted, like not sticking your ass out, are meaningless to him says something.
I get that an ass shot of a dude in the shower isn't necessarily something that belongs in a Godzilla film and I'd say that the naked breasts of a corpse aren't very couth either but I think the consternation over the butt-shot comes from somewhere other than quality or purpose. I mean, all the "yuck"s and "eww"s as form of critique say so.
Either way, that shot DID say more to me about the character than anything in Miki's entire plot said about her.
tymon wrote:Man, it really makes me laugh when I remember that all this drama is centered around a fictional, giant atomic monster. Damn you, Godzilla!
Gawdziller wrote:Doesn't matter what's moot or not. We'll just move onto the next thing to bitch about, then tangent onto something unrelated and bitch about that, and get trollbaited back on topic so we can bitch some more. It's the circle of life.