Biollante...Really.

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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby NSZ » Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:24 pm

Svitska Donkun wrote:
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Svitska Donkun wrote:First off, no, Advent Children does NOT beat Beowulf. It looks about as good as a cutscene from an FF video game.

Second, WHERE are the pictures they are talking about, and more importantly, WHERE is the announcement on using a suit stated. Like....wtf? Where did they pull all of this shit from?

It came from here: http://www.hectorarcesculpture.daportfo ... ry/47718#6


His first Godzilla model looks a little TOO heroic and anthropomorphic. While still better than GINO, I'm not sure how I feel about the human-like pectorals and abs. The only out right terrible thing about the design, is the ridiculously disproportionate, cartoony, feet. Like, wtf? Who would make that? I also wish his spines were more pronounced. His second Godzilla design is MUCH better, but far too evil looking. His Biollante is perfect.

If he can bridge the look of the first Godzilla design, with the proportions of the second, then we'd have a winner, IMO.


Actually, that's the second version. His first model was a little more extreme. /understatement
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:43 pm

Svitska Donkun wrote:First off, no, Advent Children does NOT beat Beowulf. It looks about as good as a cutscene from an FF video game.

Second, WHERE are the pictures they are talking about, and more importantly, WHERE is the announcement on using a suit stated. Like....wtf? Where did they pull all of this shit from?



LOL. It turns out both Beowulf and Final Fantasy Advent Children were both animated by Visualworks, so we were comparing work from the same Company. I still think Advent Children was animated better though. It turns out that Beowulf was using Key animation techniques that were used in Spider-Man 3. That might account for the inconsistency in the overall body movements and interactions of Grendel.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby DaddlerTheDalek » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:22 pm

It would be cool to see Biollante in a Huge Theatre...
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby XxComablack1937xX » Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:55 am

DaddlerTheDalek wrote:It would be cool to see Biollante in a Huge Theatre...



I would actually like to see her first form in CGI... could be very detailed an could add a lot to her feature's besides being just an over-sized rose-bush. Same goes for her Crocodile form... I mean it already looks great how Toho portrayed it but with Hollywood's CGI an attention to detail.

The more i think about it the more i actually do wish it is Biollante he will be facing in the Reboot.. though of course the chances are slim it would be an amazing surprise.
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Postby StaceyValentine » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:10 am

Well written, give him vodka! :P
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby Killswitch » Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:54 am

CatfaceFourtoes wrote:
Svitska Donkun wrote:First off, no, Advent Children does NOT beat Beowulf. It looks about as good as a cutscene from an FF video game.

Second, WHERE are the pictures they are talking about, and more importantly, WHERE is the announcement on using a suit stated. Like....wtf? Where did they pull all of this shit from?



LOL. It turns out both Beowulf and Final Fantasy Advent Children were both animated by Visualworks, so we were comparing work from the same Company. I still think Advent Children was animated better though. It turns out that Beowulf was using Key animation techniques that were used in Spider-Man 3. That might account for the inconsistency in the overall body movements and interactions of Grendel.


I prefer the style of Advent Children. Beowulf looks odd.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby Gorosaurus Rex » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:24 am

Svitska Donkun wrote:
Darth Calypso wrote:
Svitska Donkun wrote:First off, no, Advent Children does NOT beat Beowulf. It looks about as good as a cutscene from an FF video game.

Second, WHERE are the pictures they are talking about, and more importantly, WHERE is the announcement on using a suit stated. Like....wtf? Where did they pull all of this shit from?

It came from here: http://www.hectorarcesculpture.daportfo ... ry/47718#6


His first Godzilla model looks a little TOO heroic and anthropomorphic. While still better than GINO, I'm not sure how I feel about the human-like pectorals and abs. The only out right terrible thing about the design, is the ridiculously disproportionate, cartoony, feet. Like, wtf? Who would make that? I also wish his spines were more pronounced. His second Godzilla design is MUCH better, but far too evil looking. His Biollante is perfect.

If he can bridge the look of the first Godzilla design, with the proportions of the second, then we'd have a winner, IMO.



Whoa. Donkun and I actually agree on something? This is truly a monumental day.

Anyways, I thought all of this was pretty much debunked. I mean, I've seen some of those sculptures floating around the web for months. Some have even been posted on this site several times.

As for Biollante, I honestly wouldn't mind her as the villain. With modern special effects she truly could be a wonder of a villain to behold. I mean, it would be nice to get a well known villain but hey, weren't we all saying that the Big G should fight a lesser known enemy to begin with? Biollante could be a fun choice.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:43 am

I'm all for Biollante.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:35 am

I'm for Biollante in full CGI or practical/CGI hybrid form.

I've heard how most say Toho's CGI isn't up to par with Hollywood's, but they still did a pretty good job animating the cables that ensnared Godzilla in G2k. The motion of the CGI cables restraining the Godzilla suit looked pretty realistic, like the CGI bucking cables that attached to Kiryu's neck in Godzilla against Mechaodzilla.

I would like to see a Hollywood budget Biollante use its plant tendrils to ensnare Godzilla like the Orga ship thing did in G2k.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby Bentley » Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:28 pm

I love Biollante but I'm afraid that in the first picture she would be rather emptied of her content and made a random encounter without much dept. But if they lean towards the dark atmosphere of the original movie I'm all in for those risks.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:46 pm

....

It's not going to be Biollante. At least not for the first film.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby Gorosaurus Rex » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:50 pm

Living Corpse wrote:....

It's not going to be Biollante. At least not for the first film.


Odds say it won't, but I honestly don't think its that outlandish.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:05 pm

Oh I know it could be easily be her but she would be better saved for a later film if there is one and odds are likely there gonna use King Ghidorah for the first film. Don't get me wrong, she'd be awesome in high budget effects but really the first film should be about Godzilla. An enemy like Biollante would kinda steal the spot light.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby Tyler » Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:36 pm

The "steal the spotlight" excuse never makes sense to me.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby GreenScar » Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:49 pm

Living Corpse wrote:Oh I know it could be easily be her but she would be better saved for a later film if there is one and odds are likely there gonna use King Ghidorah for the first film. Don't get me wrong, she'd be awesome in high budget effects but really the first film should be about Godzilla. An enemy like Biollante would kinda steal the spot light.


And a giant three-headed golden dragon spewing lighting wouldn't steal the spotlight?

I love Biollante but they should keep it simple for the first movie. Some good T&C kaiju would do just nicely. That way Godzilla is the only one with a beam, so therefore would keep most of the attention on him.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:05 am

GreenScar wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:Oh I know it could be easily be her but she would be better saved for a later film if there is one and odds are likely there gonna use King Ghidorah for the first film. Don't get me wrong, she'd be awesome in high budget effects but really the first film should be about Godzilla. An enemy like Biollante would kinda steal the spot light.


And a giant three-headed golden dragon spewing lighting wouldn't steal the spotlight?

I love Biollante but they should keep it simple for the first movie. Some good T&C kaiju would do just nicely. That way Godzilla is the only one with a beam, so therefore would keep most of the attention on him.


That sounds like a good Idea! The beam was what most set Godzilla apart from other dinosaur-like monsters such as Varan and Rodan. I can see myself entertained by a movie that introduces Godzilla with possibly a couple other early monsters. Their badassery would just serve to aggrandize Godzilla as a threat all the more. Godzilla would be this new arrival that is capable of burning all competition with that terrible breath weapon.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:48 am

^Awesome idea, IMO, and the main reason why I want Anguirus to be his first enemy. A pure T&C monster would be the best fit. Also Rodan, Varan, Titanosaurus, or beamless Baragon would fit too.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby therealmccoy » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:50 pm

CatfaceFourtoes wrote:That sounds like a good Idea! The beam was what most set Godzilla apart from other dinosaur-like monsters such as Varan and Rodan. I can see myself entertained by a movie that introduces Godzilla with possibly a couple other early monsters. Their badassery would just serve to aggrandize Godzilla as a threat all the more. Godzilla would be this new arrival that is capable of burning all competition with that terrible breath weapon.

This might be the ideal way for the movie to play out, but I pointed out the last sentence for this: I'm sick of seeing Godzilla being some super-powerful God monster that whenever he's getting his ass kicked finds some awesome-powered new weapon (nuclear pulse) to turn the tides of the battle with. I miss Godzilla actually getting that second wind and using that to win the fight, instead of unleashing his breath and exploding the opponent. Let him beat his way to a victory. I do agree though; as much as I would love to see her again, she might be better for another solo performance against Godzilla, so she doesn't have to share the spotlight with other monsters.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby B34sT » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:37 pm

It would be nice if Biollante was in the new movie. She is a cool character but more importantly it would almost guarantee that Godzilla vs. Biollante gets a region 1 DVD/Blu-ray release.
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Re: Biollante...Really.

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:19 am

therealmccoy wrote:
CatfaceFourtoes wrote:That sounds like a good Idea! The beam was what most set Godzilla apart from other dinosaur-like monsters such as Varan and Rodan. I can see myself entertained by a movie that introduces Godzilla with possibly a couple other early monsters. Their badassery would just serve to aggrandize Godzilla as a threat all the more. Godzilla would be this new arrival that is capable of burning all competition with that terrible breath weapon.

This might be the ideal way for the movie to play out, but I pointed out the last sentence for this: I'm sick of seeing Godzilla being some super-powerful God monster that whenever he's getting his ass kicked finds some awesome-powered new weapon (nuclear pulse) to turn the tides of the battle with. I miss Godzilla actually getting that second wind and using that to win the fight, instead of unleashing his breath and exploding the opponent. Let him beat his way to a victory. I do agree though; as much as I would love to see her again, she might be better for another solo performance against Godzilla, so she doesn't have to share the spotlight with other monsters.



That's a good point. After all, Godzilla did not defeat Anguirus with the breath, did he? Godzilla just used its raw power. I just wanted to point out that the breath would bring a new dimension to the threat posed by the giant monsters. Buildings and military units would not only be crushed by Godzilla, but immolated. What I'm thinking of is that horrific moment in StarShip Troopers where the larger tank bug is introduced amongst the battle with the standard arachnids, the part where it proceeds to burn up the soldiers. It would be a nice and horrific contrast to having a monster like Baragon actually eating the military. I'm talking Scylla and Charybdis. A rock and a hard place. Between Baragon eating some of your troops, and Godzilla burning up the apc units and killing all.
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