Where should he stand? (Hero or Villain)

For the discussion of the upcoming Godzilla film by Legendary Pictures.

What role should Godzilla play?

A hero.
3
6%
A threat to the world.
6
12%
A potential ally.
5
10%
An anti-hero.
34
67%
Other (please specify).
3
6%
 
Total votes : 51

Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:08 pm

Tyler wrote:I think what some people mean is that they want something as good as the Nolan films, not necessarily as realistic or serious. That's what I mean anyway. In my mind something like Star Trek or Rise of the Planet of the Apes are just as good as the new Batman films. You just have to treat the property your playing with in the right way and update it properly.

That isn't what people mean, otherwise they wouldn't use the Nolan movies as their point of reference.

The entire mindset is this misconception that Schumacher's Batman films somehow tarnished Batmans reputation into something cheesy and kitchy, then Nolan swooped in on golden wings and saved it with dark tone, grounded portrayal, and a dose of realism and then everyone took Batman seriously again. This doesn't add up because;

A) Batman has always made money. There has never been a Batman film that technically bombed at the box office.

B) Batman Begins came in the middle of a superhero film boom and was already popular to begin with. Any Batman film would have been a huge financial success.

People want this applied to Godzilla because they have a misconception that since Godzilla is seen as kitchy and campy, a "Nolan-ized" film will have the same effect. This is dumb because the characters don't have the same background and it's questionable if Nolan actually saved anything or not. But even if he did, Batman and Godzilla do not have comparable histories at the box office to warrant the comparison.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby JVM » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:32 pm

Star Trek I think is if anything the best model - there's no history in common, but it took something often but not universally considered "nerdy" and made it mainstream enough to have appeal, but kept enough callbacks to keep most casual fans fairly happy. It wasn't a 'dark' film, it wasn't a 'cheesy' film - it was an action flick with some serious moments and some comedic moments, and it was a financial success that re-launched the franchise as intended, with a hotly anticipated sequel and already half-assed talks for a return to television.

No, Godzilla and Trek have nothing in common, but it's a better business model to me than the ever-popular Batman comparisons.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:08 am

Viva la revolucion! wrote:Remember when people didn't take Batman seriously because of the crappy films that came before it? Well then, Batman Begins and the DARK Knight changed everything and they can do it again. I hope this films is a lot like that, you know?


Godzilla is not as popular as Batman, i don't think people will care for Godzilla even if the movie is going to be a critical and commercial success(great now even i am talking like a greedy businessman).


I want the movie to be like The Avengers.


They didn't change anything. I would hate if they made Godzilla like Nolans films. Just sucked dry of any character or anything remotely exciting or interesting and treating iconography of the character like they're embarrassed of it.


See? People who dislikes the Nolan films actually exist.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:28 am

All right I guess I need to confess.

I like all the Batman films. All of them.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:46 am

Living Corpse wrote:All right I guess I need to confess.

I like all the Batman films. All of them.



Even Batman&Robin?
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:10 am

shinmattiathekaiju wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:All right I guess I need to confess.

I like all the Batman films. All of them.



Even Batman&Robin?


ALL OF THEM.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:25 am

^ No...that's impossible...THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!

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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Tyler » Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:56 am

shinmattiathekaiju wrote:I want the movie to be like The Avengers.


When it comes down to it I don't think this should take hints from superhero/comic book movies at all.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:38 pm

Living Corpse wrote:
shinmattiathekaiju wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:All right I guess I need to confess.

I like all the Batman films. All of them.



Even Batman&Robin?


ALL OF THEM.



Wild World of Batwoman?
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:00 pm

shinmattiathekaiju wrote:
Wild World of Batwoman?


...
Never heard of that one. Is that some kind of p0rn spoof?
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:34 pm

Living Corpse wrote:
shinmattiathekaiju wrote:
Wild World of Batwoman?


...
Never heard of that one. Is that some kind of pron spoof?



Watch the MST3K version, trust me.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby HayesAJones » Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:52 pm

That's not related to the actual Batwoman. They had to change the title later due to copyright infringement. New title had something to due with vampires if I remember correctly.

And, no, there are no vampires in the movie.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby gatorzilla » Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:09 pm

[quote="shinmattiathekaiju"][quote="Viva la revolucion!"]

Godzilla is not as popular as Batman, i don't think people will care for Godzilla even if the movie is going to be a critical and commercial success(great now even i am talking like a greedy businessman).
quote]

Talk like that just needs to stop. You get a good movie and people WILL come. Like i have said numerous times before GINO still made almost 400 million total even for as bad as it was.
Godzilla may not be as popular now as he was in the 90s but you get a good movie in theaters people WILL come. People still love Godzilla but with nothing new movie wise in years obviously no one will talk about it as much

The best examples i can think of for how the movie should be modeled would be the Nolan Batman films, Marvel's Avengers movies and Star Trek.

Godzilla should be an anti-hero kinda like how he was done in Godzilla 2000 or the Heisei series. He will defend the earth and humanity but at the same time will turn around and blast the living hell out of them.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Tue May 01, 2012 12:00 pm

TokyoVigilante wrote:



They didn't change anything. I would hate if they made Godzilla like Nolans films. Just sucked dry of any character or anything remotely exciting or interesting and treating iconography of the character like they're embarrassed of it. I don't understand why anyone would be willing to sacrifice aspects of the character for the sake of proving to people that their childrens character they like isn't for children.


Its because Nolan wanted an ''artsy'' approach with Batman and set the story in a what-if scenario like an Elseworld graphic novel.
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Re: What threats is this Godzilla going to bring?

Postby Tyler » Tue May 01, 2012 12:25 pm

I just watched Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol and it sort of had a Cold War thing going, so I think that proves with good writing the threat of nuclear destruction can still make sense in a modern setting.
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Re: What threats is this Godzilla going to bring?

Postby tenup » Tue May 01, 2012 5:26 pm

Interesting observation Tyler. The way things are headed, humans are destroying the very resources that all living creatures need to survive, and if something like Godzilla came along, that would only speed up the whole process.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Wed May 02, 2012 1:07 pm

shinmattiathekaiju wrote:
TokyoVigilante wrote:



They didn't change anything. I would hate if they made Godzilla like Nolans films. Just sucked dry of any character or anything remotely exciting or interesting and treating iconography of the character like they're embarrassed of it. I don't understand why anyone would be willing to sacrifice aspects of the character for the sake of proving to people that their childrens character they like isn't for children.


Its because Nolan wanted an ''artsy'' approach with Batman and set the story in a what-if scenario like an Elseworld graphic novel.

I don't see anything artsy about Nolan's Batman. I can appreciate and do enjoy the creative direction he's taken, as a whole, with Batman. His Batman works and tells great stories and fits the character. BUT to have this approach treated, warts and all, as a fix all for any property that has a bad reputation is just lacking in creativity, bland, and misrepresenting the hard work that Nolan did.
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Re: What threats is this Godzilla going to bring?

Postby JVM » Wed May 02, 2012 8:00 pm

Godzilla's radioactive semen will burn through buildings and humans.
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Re: What threats is this Godzilla going to bring?

Postby Crocodile » Thu May 03, 2012 7:50 am

JVM wrote:Godzilla's radioactive semen will burn through buildings and humans.


Fund it, this is the idea that will save this project
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Re: What threats is this Godzilla going to bring?

Postby Tyler » Thu May 03, 2012 12:33 pm

IDW still hasn't introduced Wadzilla.
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