CGI or rubber suits?

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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Ethan » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:50 pm

Legion1979 wrote:It doesn't matter. If you honestly think LP's Godzilla isn't going to be CGI (maybe augmented by physical props, but primarily CGI) you're crazy.

Me hopes it won't be shot 100% in front a blue screen like Avatar or Star Wars.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Captain Aktion » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:06 pm

^Sadly, that's probably, realistically, the best we could hope for.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:32 pm

Captain Aktion wrote:^Sadly, that's probably, realistically, the best we could hope for.


Because creating a CGI Godzilla and pasting him over footage shot on location, in a real city, isnt a realistic probability?

Oh wait, G98. :P
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:39 pm

As much I would love to see some suit work to used, it's likely never going to happen. Hellboy 1-2 and Where the Wild Things Are where not giant monster movies. Their is nothing wrong with a CG Godzilla since CG was not the reason why G98 sucked.

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Are you talking about the movie Predators, if so, that came out either earlier this year or last year.


It came out last July (July 2010).

Tyler wrote:I thought the Preds in Predators were big rubbery dumbasses. I don't think they looked half as good as the ones in the AVP flicks.


AVPR I could understand but not the first one. Sorry but the Predators in the first movie look awful, one of the main reasons why I hated those movies.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:35 am

Well, at least in AVP, they did not have a Predator stupidly doff all of its weapons to demonstrate how inferior it was physically to a Xenomorph, even a mutated one like the Predalien. The weaponry belongs on a predator. the weapons are practically a part of it, almost making a Predator like a cyborg, similar to how Tony Stark is connected to his suit.

From its vision enhancing mask to its personal cloaking device, to weapons like the smart disk, its gear is made to work with the Predator's natural attributes. Without them, Predators are just powerful , tail-less aliens with useless glowing blood and an equally useless but interesting set of jaws pitted against a creature that can kill by being wounded and has sharp weapons built into every corner of its seemingly bio-mechanical body.

AVP2 was crap save for the special effects, and I'd much rather follow Predator:Concrete Jungle's storyline when establishing how Weyland/Utani and Mother came into being. "Miss Utani" indeed, lulz.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Tyler » Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:46 pm

The armor made them a bit bulky but that's about it. The ones in Predators were like giant walking bobble heads.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:37 pm

I think part of it has to do with the fact that the first two Predators were portrayed by a big guy, Kevin Peter Hall. I think he was taller than Arnold, it was not just a visual trick. In AVP, I think only one of the actors came even close in height, and that was the guy who played the Predator that did not die until the end.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby DaddlerTheDalek » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:31 pm

Cgi & Motion-Capturing. Maybe some Stan Winston stuff.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Primevalgodzilla V2 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:44 am

As long as it looks good I don't care.

Although preferably the same balance that Lord of the Rings uses.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:04 am

That sounds good. Weta proved that they could even computer generate and miniaturize water in Gulliver's Travels. Their animation of living things is also impressive, from the Wargs in the LOTR series to the V-Rex in King Kong '05 that looked like they could have eaten Anne Darrow at any moment. I especially liked the animation quality that allowed her to hang suspended from one's lower jaw realistically.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby GodGan » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:41 pm

USA think theyre the best at cgi but wait til japan does it... no racist.
Well the movie should be both. It would be epic. 8-)
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Legion1979 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:45 pm

GodGan wrote:USA think theyre the best at cgi but wait til japan does it


We're all still waiting. We've been waiting.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby ManWithNoName » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:09 am

CGI, suits would make this movie skreeonk dumb to non Godzilla fans, and Toho may as well just pump out another Godzilla cut-all-costs-crap-fest if an American studio does the same with way more money.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby kaiju115 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:56 am

I'm ok with seeing a CGI Godzilla so long as its done the right way. Though if Toho decides to bring him back to Japan, definitely rubber suits, as a tradition.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby King-Ghidorah » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:02 am

Gotta go with the consensus of being ok with CGI. Can't see the rubber suits going over too well in this day and age with current general audiences. Unless of course the aim is to present a film that's tounge-in-cheek. Which I sincerely hope is not the case.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Patrick Alan » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:44 pm

I'd rather have it being a Rubber Suit, but I already know it'll be CGI
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:54 pm

I'd rather they combine BOTH but they said it's gonna be CGI so what can you do?
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:31 am

Hope for the best that the CGI is top notch, which is likely a given since the character in question is so iconic. GINO was a screw up but I think most here can agree that the CGI used in the film holds up well when compared to later films like Cloverfield and the Clash of The Titans remake.

Given that GINO was such a disappointment everywhere else, there is probably a drive to make this new Godzilla's CGI outshine the techniques used in that film.
The same goes for what Godzilla will look like. It will probably be constructed more like a living thing, with its own unique motion based abstractly off of existing animals, so It probably won't look exactly like what we all have seen before with the suits.
I hope they pattern it off of a bear. Bears have a nice half-way point in the dexterity of their limbs, not quite as much as a human, but more than the average large predator. Also, in a documentary Harou Nakajima said that he based his movements off of bears, so it would be a nice tribute. Pick Andy Serkis for the motion reference acting and I would be totally psyched about a CGI Godzilla.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Crocodile » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:07 pm

GodGan wrote:USA think theyre the best at cgi but wait til japan does it... no racist.
Well the movie should be both. It would be epic. 8-)


Japanese CGI typically isn't as good as Hollywood CGI

The difference, MONEY!
Hollywood puts a lot more money into special effects, where as Japan (Due to a smaller domestic market) is more conservative with where it's budget goes.

As for this movie
I'm hoping CGI, I want to see new stuff done here with a larger fat American budget. I want a sense of scale you just can't get with Suitmation.
I love suitmation, and I always will, but this movie is a chance to do some stuff Toho just doesn't do.
Let's not squander that trying to be exactly the same as before.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:01 pm

I have seen some great looking CG in Japanese films. Maybe on the same level as Transformers or The Day After Tomorrow but they can make some great looking stuff. I still don't think we will see suitmation in the film and CG is the right choice to go with.
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