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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby MothraPeanuts » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:51 pm

SaiyanRider54 wrote: People also just plain out say that CGI sucks. WTF? I can name multiple movies were the CGI beats all of the Godzilla movies out of the water.


In what way? In 'realism'? Perhaps, although that was never Tsuburaya's guiding philosophy in the first place. In creativity or craftsmanship? Hell no.

If done correctly, CGI looks great, but some people just can't grasp that concept.


"Hurr durr, I'm right and everyone who disagrees with me just doesn't get it!!!"

I think some people (not all, since I hope some of you guys agree) just need to grow up and realize that we're in a new era of technology and SFX and we can't keep sticking to the past.


"If you agree with me then you're cool, but those some people who don't agree with me need to grow up!" That's what you said.

And it's bullshit.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:58 pm

Rubber suits are tradition, but CGI is his future in the US movie.

People need to get real.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby kaiju_wars » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:36 pm

Living Corpse wrote:Cause you know, movie goers are used to films like ID4 and how they often show how the U.S. Army will "save the day."

This is of course assuming they do anything like this.


That was the Air Force. THE U.S. AIR FORCE!!!!!
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:38 pm

kaiju_wars wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:Cause you know, movie goers are used to films like ID4 and how they often show how the U.S. Army will "save the day."

This is of course assuming they do anything like this.


That was the Air Force. THE U.S. AIR FORCE!!!!!
:)


You say that like I should care. ;)
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby kaiju_wars » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:40 pm

Living Corpse wrote:
kaiju_wars wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:Cause you know, movie goers are used to films like ID4 and how they often show how the U.S. Army will "save the day."

This is of course assuming they do anything like this.


That was the Air Force. THE U.S. AIR FORCE!!!!!
:)


You say that like I should care. ;)


Yep. :huge:
Naw, I just have grown to respect the Air Force, when I joined AFJROTC at my high school, I wanted to join.

But I can't, because I grew up taking ADHD medicine and I have asthma... so yeah. :(
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:15 am

Living Corpse wrote:
CatfaceFourtoes wrote:That was one of the few things I liked about GINO, actually. People's semi-comedic reaction to a giant monster messing everything up.
Can you imagine them reacting the same way to Anguirus walking around New York and bumping into things? Or a worm guy type scientist saying "That's not true. We fed him!" That would be something cool to see to lighten the mood in a Godzilla movie.


But they still killed GINO. They still treated it as just a big animal instead of a force of nature. But yes I do understand what your saying. I think it would have been better had they shot their missiles, hit him and everyone is smirking thinking it's done only for the wind to blow the smoke away and see him standing there unharmed. Now imagine the reactions and witty lines that would happen from that. :lol:


You're right. Actually, I think I just realized what typ of tone I would want in a new Godzilla movie.
Basically how they reacted to Godzilla in Godzilla 1985, but softened with comedic reactions and antics from humans, like how Animal chased the monster, heedless of the danger, and the worm guy, the only one that understands the monster, who just happens to be the guy that no one takes seriously. They kind of attempted this kind of humor with the bum in Godzilla 1985, but it just got lost in all the dark and dire situations, as well as Raymond Burr's ominous lines and screen presence. Personally, when I saw the end of Godzilla KOTM, I bought the explanation about never finding a body. The bones in the neck seemed way too thin when Godzilla was skeletonized, so I thought how cool would it have been if what we saw sink to the bottom of the harbor was just some outer carapace and not the beast's actual skeleton?
The seemingly armored nature of the monster would back that idea up.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Living Corpse » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:20 am

Oh gawed the bum in ROG was the best character by far and that's not a knock at the main actors, I mean he was just one of the guys who steals the spotlight in every scene he's in like M-11 does in GvKG or the Xalien kid and Don do in GFW. I was kinda pissed the bum got killed since he was there to lighten the mood of a very dark film, not to mention he helped some main characters get out of a building but I guess they did it to show anyone can die in that film.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:29 am

Yeah, I have a fantasy where the third generation of TransFormers Decepticons, Trypticon and all of the Combiners, lead by crazy ass Galvatron throw down with Godzilla in a populated city.
I pictured Godzilla giving the smaller gestalts a major thumping, but Galvatron himself being surprisingly formidable, flying around and and taking shots at Godzilla while it is occupied with his minions. It would have been cool if the tiny supposedly all powerful Xalien leader had done something similar, only to be KO'ed when Godzilla threw Monster-X or Gigan into him.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Killswitch » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:19 am

After seeing Kong vs V-Rex, why in the world would you want to go back to the rubber suit days?

Imagine how fluid KG would look in CGI? Three heads, the wings etc. It would be great! Time to move forward.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Tyler » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:12 pm

SaiyanRider54 wrote:A combo of CGI and suites like Gamera 3 would be epic now that I think of it.


Especially with a Hollywood level budget.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:24 pm

That's just the problem with CGI though. It tends to be unnaturally fluid. With that method of animation, a simple thing like shaking or waving fur in the wind becomes nearly impossible to maintain. You can even see it at points in King Kong o5 when he is climbing around the top of the Empire State Building. That small defect is why the large bugs that were crawling all over Adrian Brody were done better IMHO. Where the hell were their priorities? As for King Ghidorah, CGI has its work cut out for it in accurately emulating the haphazard way the puppeteer-ed heads of the monster writhed around. That was part of what made the monster so menacing, you could not tell when it was focused on a target until it was about to fire its gravity beams at it. I saw the CGI used for Ghidorah in GMK, and I was not a fan.

Also, knowing how CGI artists tend to emulate the movements of actual animals for monsters, I bet that King Ghidorah's heads would probably move like anacondas attached to an ostrich's body. I dunno, maybe that would look cool!
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:30 pm

CatfaceFourtoes wrote:I saw the CGI used for Ghidorah in GMK, and I was not a fan.


Oh, you mean the old and outdated CGI from 2001?

:roll:

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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:41 pm

yeah, the old and outdated CGI from 2001 that at least should have looked as good as the old and outdated CGI method used in Jurassic Park way back in 1993.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby therealmccoy » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:47 pm

CatfaceFourtoes wrote:yeah, the old and outdated CGI from 2001 that at least should have looked as good as the old and outdated CGI method used in Jurassic Park way back in 1993.

I don't believe they had that kind of a budget.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:59 pm

Well this movie certainly did not have a big budget either, but its CGI still managed to look more passable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpP7wSw9nww

And strangely enough, GMK probably had the best practical effects out of the modern Godzilla movies as well. I mean that there were many times where the crumbling or exploding miniature buildings looked realistic, as well as the pyrotechnics when it came time for Goji to toast the military. Let it be known that I am all for good CGI used to depict Godzilla. It just must be convincing, with no animation flubs.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby therealmccoy » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:11 pm

It also depends on who you get to handle the computer graphics.

If the guys making this movie want to spend their time and effort making several miniature scenes for several takes, along with finding a good suit designer and finding an actor that's worth a hill of beans to do the suit acting, I'm all for it. I don't want the CG to look like shit either. I'm just not wetting my pants worrying about it. If it's a good movie, I won't really care.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby kaiju_wars » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:13 pm

I think the CGI should look like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D9TPOQIjo

And it should be done by Asylum film company.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:05 pm

Hahaha! That's funny as hell! If the poopy CGI wasn't bad enough, the statement "This guy makes Godzilla look like a pussy." totally ruined that movies credibility. I wonder, is the point that Asylum is Connected to Lions Gate? If that's the case, how come Minotaur's CG was so ridiculously well blended with the practical effects? I mean, I saw this one truly terrible film released by Lion's Gate, called Cerberus. The CGI was so bad it made my eyeballs bleed, lol.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby kaiju_wars » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:59 pm

CatfaceFourtoes wrote:Hahaha! That's funny as hell! If the poopy CGI wasn't bad enough, the statement "This guy makes Godzilla look like a pussy." totally ruined that movies credibility. I wonder, is the point that Asylum is Connected to Lions Gate? If that's the case, how come Minotaur's CG was so ridiculously well blended with the practical effects? I mean, I saw this one truly terrible film released by Lion's Gate, called Cerberus. The CGI was so bad it made my eyeballs bleed, lol.



Yeah...
Dude, I was making a joke. :roll:
There was no need to get serious with it.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Marcin7282 » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:48 am

I would like Motion Capture because it has the best things of Suit and CGI.
but I know that good suit is better than CGI(like in Godzilla2003)
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