Re: The Hong Kong/China feud and the repercussions for GvK/the Godzillaverse.
Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:17 pm
Let’s hope GvsKong has no release issues in China. Needs that money from there to be successful.
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Despite the fact both G14 AND Kong got pretty good reviews. This whole "critics hate Godzilla" thing needs to stop,this just getting stupid.kaijuguy19 wrote:That's a legit concern but I don't think it'd be enough to actually destroy the movie itself let alone the Monsterverse since let's face it,bad critic reviews and such will likely do the job instead.
That wasn't really what I was leading into. I'm sorry if it came across as such. I was just explaining how the whole situation at China may not affect the movie too much to destroy the Monsterverse as a whole as how it doing poorly at the BO if that happens will do that instead.tyrantgoji wrote:Despite the fact both G14 AND Kong got pretty good reviews. This whole "critics hate Godzilla" thing needs to stop,this just getting stupid.kaijuguy19 wrote:That's a legit concern but I don't think it'd be enough to actually destroy the movie itself let alone the Monsterverse since let's face it,bad critic reviews and such will likely do the job instead.
I think you kinda underestimate how big China is to the movie market nowadays. Poor box office their means a pretty big blow to the studio even if the movie itself didn't really flop.kaijuguy19 wrote:That wasn't really what I was leading into. I'm sorry if it came across as such. I was just explaining how the whole situation at China may not affect the movie too much to destroy the Monsterverse as a whole as how it doing poorly at the BO if that happens will do that instead.tyrantgoji wrote:Despite the fact both G14 AND Kong got pretty good reviews. This whole "critics hate Godzilla" thing needs to stop,this just getting stupid.kaijuguy19 wrote:That's a legit concern but I don't think it'd be enough to actually destroy the movie itself let alone the Monsterverse since let's face it,bad critic reviews and such will likely do the job instead.
I'm talking beyond that via boycotts against the actual movie, stuff like that.shadowgigan wrote:I don't see why the CCP would have a problem with this film coming. Theoretically, if it was shot in HK, then I'm sure it was subject to approval from the party. As long as the movie doesn't "violate" One China Policy, I don't see what would stop it from coming out.
Please say sike. There's absolutely no way Legendary could have predicted this to happen.LockBite wrote:One has to wonder if there’s some kind of allegory going on with Kong and Godzilla. King Kong being Hong Kong, Godzilla being China. Godzilla steps on Kong’s toes, the two fight on the basis of Godzilla wanting to lord over the entire world and Kong just wanting to be left autonomous. We don’t know enough about the plot, but a team-up would indicate an ultimately pro-China message in this case. This is all so nebulous that it could just be a force of coincidence.
Setting up the narrative for if/when the movie underperforms.Fish Cakes wrote:Imagine pre-emptively blaming civil unrest for the KotM sequel flopping.
China has more than a billion people. Add to that the number of Americans that won’t know or care that Legendary is a Chinese-owned company and I’m not sure how the HK protests will greatly impact this movie._JNavs_ wrote:Why, just because the Chinese government is legitimately popping innocent heads left and right, and China is the #1 market for these films... Noooo, of course civil unrest won't put a dent in the film, how could it?
And as it stands now, the unrest is relegated only to Hong Kong, a relatively small populace.Terasawa wrote:China has more than a billion people. Add to that the number of Americans that won’t know or care that Legendary is a Chinese-owned company and I’m not sure how the HK protests will greatly impact this movie._JNavs_ wrote:Why, just because the Chinese government is legitimately popping innocent heads left and right, and China is the #1 market for these films... Noooo, of course civil unrest won't put a dent in the film, how could it?
Lmao I'm not making excuses, I just think it's a bit presumptuous to say "when this movie fails this'll be an excuse as to why", it's like trying to stomp a flame before there's even an ember.LSD Jellyfish wrote: And as it stands now, the unrest is relegated only to Hong Kong, a relatively small populace.
I hope GVK does well, at least in the sense I hope it doesn't actively fail, but it's hilarious seeing JNAVS already make excuses should it not be a gigantic success.
No, we are saying that IF the film fails, or under performs, people will not blame the quality of the film, or the general disinterest towards the film on the film itself and rather complain about "the critics", "Disney", "stigma against Kaiju films", in the same way they do for KOTM. Just add this time,"It didn't meet our expectations because China has some current issues"._JNavs_ wrote:Lmao I'm not making excuses, I just think it's a bit presumptuous to say "when this movie fails this'll be an excuse as to why", it's like trying to stomp a flame before there's even an ember.LSD Jellyfish wrote: And as it stands now, the unrest is relegated only to Hong Kong, a relatively small populace.
I hope GVK does well, at least in the sense I hope it doesn't actively fail, but it's hilarious seeing JNAVS already make excuses should it not be a gigantic success.
LSD Jellyfish wrote:No, we are saying that IF the film fails, or under performs, people will not blame the quality of the film, or the general disinterest towards the film on the film itself and rather complain about "the critics", "Disney", "stigma against Kaiju films", in the same way they do for KOTM. Just add this time,"It didn't meet our expectations because China has some current issues"._JNavs_ wrote:Lmao I'm not making excuses, I just think it's a bit presumptuous to say "when this movie fails this'll be an excuse as to why", it's like trying to stomp a flame before there's even an ember.LSD Jellyfish wrote: And as it stands now, the unrest is relegated only to Hong Kong, a relatively small populace.
I hope GVK does well, at least in the sense I hope it doesn't actively fail, but it's hilarious seeing JNAVS already make excuses should it not be a gigantic success.
Because Chinese censorship boards can be fickle and a worsening of the situation in Hong Kong might cause them to reassess their stance on this film. Not to mention Legendary itself (or their Wanda financiers) might recut the film, alter the release date, or even pull it altogether (highly unlikely but not without precedent) should anything unexpected come up; many films had to be altered or were straight-up cancelled after 9/11.Terasawa wrote:China has more than a billion people. Add to that the number of Americans that won’t know or care that Legendary is a Chinese-owned company and I’m not sure how the HK protests will greatly impact this movie.