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Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:55 pm
by Living Corpse
Did someone seriously just say Monsterverse Mothra was on shotted? Most of her fighting was off-screen. Different problem.

attilagodzilla wrote:Atleast we got more than one minute of the camera focusing just on the Kaiju. KOTM felt the need to cut every few seconds


Huh?

This is the second time I've seen a comment like this and I really don't understand it. G2014 they cut away before we saw the monsters do their thing, KOTM felt like how Toho normally does it, a few second/minutes of the monsters fighting, cut away for the people to do their thing, cut back to the monster action. :eh:

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:58 pm
by attilagodzilla
ny biggest complaint is this, most of the monster action is in the background. Godzilla and Ghidorah run towards eachother, cut to people on the argo. Gidzilla slams Ghidorah through a building, cut to Mark and Emma searching for Madison. for me it felt like we just didn't see a lot of the monster battle. we certainly got way less than the toho movies

And tbh I actually prefered the battle in 2014 more than the battles in KOTM.
Maybe it just felt easier to follow idk. but somehow I was more satisfued with that battle what little it was compared to what we got in KOTM

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:02 pm
by Orichalcum
Show me the Toho movie where the fights are made up entirely of short closeups LC.

The 2014 film was leagues more satisfying

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:27 pm
by attilagodzilla
I hate to be the downer tbh. And well I have pretty low standars since FW is in my top 10 Godzilla movies. But I think summing it up the best I can, to me it felt like the human drama took more priority to the monster battle, G14 had this problem aswell. I guess maybe how the movie was cut made it more tolerable?
What we do see of the monster battles looks amazing, I guess I wish we could have just a few minutes more. Like even just 10 seconds more focusing fully on Mothra and Rodan's battle instead of showing them fly by in the background. Or a few seconds more of Ghidorah vs Rodan.
Maybe my opinion changes once I get the movie on dvd but for now I think the battles could have been done better

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:59 pm
by Mr_Goji_and_Watch
There's not an inherent problem with drama taking precedent, it's just really bad drama.

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:18 am
by master_of_monsters
:facepalm: are we seriously comparing kotm to final wars of all things

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:26 am
by goji89
master_of_monsters wrote::facepalm: are we seriously comparing kotm to final wars of all things


Is it really surprising?

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:37 am
by master_of_monsters
goji89 wrote:
master_of_monsters wrote::facepalm: are we seriously comparing kotm to final wars of all things


Is it really surprising?


yes

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:39 am
by goji89
master_of_monsters wrote:
goji89 wrote:
master_of_monsters wrote::facepalm: are we seriously comparing kotm to final wars of all things


Is it really surprising?


yes


:lol: .

I don't know what else to tell ya but......

TK forums man, it's the TK forums.

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:41 am
by master_of_monsters
goji89 wrote:
master_of_monsters wrote:
goji89 wrote:
Is it really surprising?


yes


:lol: .

I don't know what else to tell ya but......

TK forums man, it's the TK forums.


well that says it all right there

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:13 am
by Smuggers
People are comparing Godzilla movies to other Godzilla movies now? wtf happened to this place!?

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:08 am
by BioDestroyer
GuardianGhido wrote:Well you do make some compelling points, but I guess it's more up to personal interpretation whether one considers Ghidorah overly malicious or just an incredibly aggressive animal. I myself notice a lot of malevolence coming from him, but that might not be the perception of everyone which is perfeclty fine. It's why a lot of these monsters actions and behaviors are shown and not told, so that we might think for ourselves on what they actually mean. It's also a part of what makes these giant monsters so unique as characters, instead of being humans that openly convey all of their thoughts and motivations through speech and relatibility, we have to read between the lines to understand what the monsters are thinking, and even then, not all of us would find the same meaning. In this case, I'm just going to agree to disagree. I respect the opinion of thinking Ghidorah is an animal with no real malice, but I personally feel differently. No offense or provocation intended if I came off that way, just saying we have differing opinions on the matter and I'm OK with that.

Thank you for the friendly discussion though, it's nice to participate in a civil and compelling discussion on matters we disagree on instead of tossing jabs back and forth like what usually happens in this forums. I really appreciate that.


Let me also thank you for the discussion and say you've been nothing but civil. I was just surprised and puzzled at the first posters response to my inquiry.

That said, I want to emphasize one thing here; I'm not wanting to think of Ghidorah as just an animal without malevolence. The reason I brought this up in the first place was because I felt that there was a distinct dissonance between what we were told and what we were shown. We're told that Ghidorah is evil but from what we see from his actions in the films, he didn't do anything that was that different from just another aggressive monster. You're absolutely correct in that it's very difficult in portraying a creature that isn't human or have easily read human qualities as evil. This means that the writers of the story need to think out of the box in showing such a thing. I feel that this just wasn't exemplified very well in this particular film.

So while I know that Ghidorah is usually depicted as an evil and malicious creature (like many here, I'm a lifelong Godzilla fan or at the very least, ever since I had consciousness of myself so I'm definitely no stranger to the films) if that isn't shown in the film or it's just indistinguishable from several other monsters and then I'm told to think he's an evil being or that he has some master plan, I just start to question that.

Smuggers wrote:Yeah, a lot of the stuff said on this topic reminds of people who are convinced that their dogs smile at them or that certain animals play with their food with malevolent intent. It's just projecting human qualities on an animal--one that isn't real in the first place to be sure, but I don't think it goes as deep as some people think. Ghidorah is clearly meant to be bad but he's not a cartoon character.


This is one of the reasons why I brought this up since I read it often but I just wasn't seeing it anywhere for the most part. Again, I know he's supposed to be the devil in terms of evil kaiju but I just wasn't seeing it to that high of a degree.

Well, it seems this part of the discussion has just about ended. I just hope this is sorted before the new film comes out. Though I will say that this was never a huge issue for me at all. Just something that I found really curious and a *bit* weird. There are other things that I want them to pay a lot more attention to.

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:20 am
by Destoroyah of Worlds
attilagodzilla wrote:ny biggest complaint is this, most of the monster action is in the background. Godzilla and Ghidorah run towards eachother, cut to people on the argo. Gidzilla slams Ghidorah through a building, cut to Mark and Emma searching for Madison. for me it felt like we just didn't see a lot of the monster battle. we certainly got way less than the toho movies

And tbh I actually prefered the battle in 2014 more than the battles in KOTM.
Maybe it just felt easier to follow idk. but somehow I was more satisfued with that battle what little it was compared to what we got in KOTM

The cuts away definitely pissed me off. It was the worst during the Rodan-Ghidorah parts. They cut to them fighting on a tv. They did it again!

Would have preferred they cut 75% of the human stuff if it meant giving us like 4 more minutes of Rodan or Rodan and Ghidorah fighting

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:31 am
by attilagodzilla
master_of_monsters wrote::facepalm: are we seriously comparing kotm to final wars of all things

well seeing how it is in my top 10 and I recently watched it and got more enjoyment out of it, yes I am.
Final wars for as bad as it is(wich I only noticed this time, last time I watched it was 12) managed to entertaine quite a bit..That's more than I can say of Kotm

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:23 am
by szmigiel
You can actually make many parallels between the final fight in KOTM and GFW. Both start with Godzilla battling his foe one on one, Mothra joining the fight and having an aerial battle with an opponent. Then at the end Godzilla receives a power up to defeat his rival. All while the story cuts back and forth with the human cast of the film during the battle royal.

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:51 am
by king_ghidorah
Just realized that this film was edited by the same guy who edited a majority of the Transformers movie and I think that shows

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:54 am
by Orichalcum
king_ghidorah wrote:Just realized that this film was edited by the same guy who edited a majority of the Transformers movie and I think that shows

Last time I compared GKOTM to Transformers, someone here tried to jump my poop for it :lol:

But in all seriousness, yeah, that makes a whole lot more sense now why all the battles were such a mess.

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:54 am
by GuardianGhido
szmigiel wrote:You can actually make many parallels between the final fight in KOTM and GFW. Both start with Godzilla battling his foe one on one, Mothra joining the fight and having an aerial battle with an opponent. Then at the end Godzilla receives a power up to defeat his rival. All while the story cuts back and forth with the human cast of the film during the battle royal.

The difference is, one of them has Don Frye and his crew kicking alien butt, the other has Mark and a couple of soldier running around yelling "MADISON!"

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:03 am
by Terasawa
Both GFW and KOTM attempt to make a certain kind of Hollywood film with Godzilla elements worked in.

Re: What Are Your Complaints About KOTM?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:11 am
by king_ghidorah
Those two films are very closely linked.

As previously mentioned there’s the Hollywood aspect which creates a certain tone each film has.

There’s tons of superficial stuff too. Antarctic first battle. Mothra sacrificing herself to protect Godzilla. Final battle in a decimated city. Godzilla power up at the end.