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Re: Positive things about the portrayal of monsters!

Postby gottatalktothefake » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:38 pm

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There's actually a number of older films that I wouldn't hesitate to label as good movies, not just good Godzilla movies. Mothra, Mothra vs Godzilla, Frankenstein vs Baragon, Godzilla vs Hedorah, Monster Zero, Return of Godzilla, Godzilla vs Biollante, GMK, LPG, and Shin all come to mind. And those are just the standouts.

But maybe I'm alone in this line of thought.

I agree with you on most of those movies, I'm just saying that in my opinion that almost all of the movies don't live up to the hype that the fandom produces for them.

To be abundantly clear, I still like and love these movies, Godzilla is one of my favorite characters ever. But at the same time, the last two live action movies the fandom hyped up to a degree which I think is obscene for them, and it ended up hampering my enjoyment of the movie immensely.
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Re: Positive things about the portrayal of monsters!

Postby SG-17 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:39 pm

I loved the personification and personality that each of the kaiju had. Felt a lot like a Showa film.

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Postby _JNavs_ » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:41 pm

SG-17 wrote:I loved the personification and personality that each of the kaiju had. Felt a lot like a Showa film.

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Re: Positive things about the portrayal of monsters!

Postby Smuggers » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:41 pm

_JNavs_ wrote:Were there wolves in G14? I'd be game to see those Wolf titans from the Skull Island concept art, they were confirmed canon I believe in KOTM, so I'd love to see em in GvK.

Yeah, one's sniffing around the aftermath of the Muto's attack on the train and gets spooked just before Ford wakes up. I thought it was neat to see an animal going about its business in the aftermath of a kaiju attack.
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Re: Positive things about the portrayal of monsters!

Postby _JNavs_ » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:44 pm

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_JNavs_ wrote:Were there wolves in G14? I'd be game to see those Wolf titans from the Skull Island concept art, they were confirmed canon I believe in KOTM, so I'd love to see em in GvK.

Yeah, one's sniffing around the aftermath of the Muto's attack on the train and gets spooked just before Ford wakes up. I thought it was neat to see an animal going about its business in the aftermath of a kaiju attack.

Oh that's pretty cool! I'm rewatching G14 (for the 5th time lol) this Monday so I'll make sure to keep an eye out. Kinda adds onto the lore that the Titans rejuvenate the land they destroy
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Postby Mr_Goji_and_Watch » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:46 pm

Smuggers wrote:Yeah, one's sniffing around the aftermath of the Muto's attack on the train and gets spooked just before Ford wakes up. I thought it was neat to see an animal going about its business in the aftermath of a kaiju attack.


The dynamic going on with animals and the monsters in that film is pretty nice
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Postby Vatarian » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:48 pm

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As long as you're having fun. I know I am. :D


I mean. Kind of. I’ve never really been one for “hookers and blow”, personally, but I think, as analogies go, saying things on Toho Kingdom is roughly within the same fun camp as the relatively cheap lower echelons of “hookers and blow” at a really sleazy nightclub where you’re besties with like three of the strippers and two of the hookers.

It’s entertaining. You never quite know what you’re gonna get. Maybe you go just to gather info through gossip and insider chatter. Sometimes you go there just to piss off the other patrons. Maybe you go to chat with the dancers you’re friends with. Maybe you get an S.T.D. In TK’s case it’s, like, a spiritual S.T.D, but still.
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Postby LockBite » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:52 pm

I loved how they take advantage of the CGI method, allowing the monsters to do things they couldn’t do as suits, puppets, and props. This potential first became apparent in 2014 when Godzilla bent at the waist in order to toss the Male MUTO with his mouth. Here, we see a lot more of it. Ghidorah’s heads moving with direct purpose and in unison, Rodan doing a barrel roll in midair, etc, all things that simply couldn’t have been done with wires.

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Re: Positive things about the portrayal of monsters!

Postby _JNavs_ » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:56 pm

LockBite wrote:I loved how they take advantage of the CGI method, allowing the monsters to do things they couldn’t do as suits, puppets, and props. This potential first became apparent in 2014 when Godzilla bent at the waist in order to toss the Male MUTO with his mouth. Here, we see a lot more of it. Ghidorah’s heads moving with direct purpose and in unison, Rodan doing a barrel roll in midair, etc, all things that simply couldn’t have been done with wires.

All the emotion in Godzilla's face throughout the film was great too.
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Re: Positive things about the portrayal of monsters!

Postby JAGzilla » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:24 pm

One thing to note is that this was an abnormally focused, sane rendition of Ghidorah. That's by no means a problem, of course. But it does sort of keep him from being truly definitive, and leaves the door wide open for a similarly spectacular take on the shrieking, spamming, chaotic lunatic that he was in the Showa days.

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Postby Dracosaurian » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:36 pm

All the monsters were great. I'm quite surprised to say that MV Ghidorah is the best version of the character to date in my view. This is coming from someone who's never really been impressed by him. Also once again, I'm glad that they had a new design for the Mothra's larva stage. I honestly got tired of looking at the well... turd look the previous ones had. But yeah, all in all the monsters were fantastic.

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Re: Positive things about the portrayal of monsters!

Postby MegaEvilSaurus666 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:37 pm

Godzilla's arrival in Antarctica was fantastic, but somehow I enjoyed it more in the HBO preview. I don't get it. Maybe, it was the background tracks. Something about the HBO preview had more weight and presence to it. The silence of it at Godzilla's arrival, the ice breaking under his massive feet, a feeling reminiscent of the airport scene in 2014, and the face off. The preview made me think that the tone was more akin to the previous movie. Bear McCreary's score was great, but it's the pacing of this movie and sound mixing that takes away from it. It was out of place, sort of. I still got excited for it.
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to be fair, I did have issues related to family before seeing this, so maybe I was in a negative frame of mind before seeing it. I should see it again. I really wanted to enjoy it.


I liked the Antarctica fight before Vivienne Graham died. That tore it apart for me. I was a little bit weirded out by the classic sound effects from Godzilla, too. I just think that the classic roars don't fit with the movie or his design. The original Legendary roars are tailored for him, and it commands presence like no other in theaters. Godzilla is larger than he was in the last movie, but he felt smaller because of the sound design.

Rodan was the highlight of the movie for me, despite the fact that we saw most of the sequence in the trailers, which disappointed me. There was so much done right with it. Rodan looked great, coming from the volcano. Unfortunately, the perspective shots didn't give him a true sense of scale. Either way, this was really the main scene where we got to see pure destruction of cities and panic from civilians. I wish it had been longer. We didn't get that anywhere else in the movie.

Ghidorah was amazing in his/their (there's three heads, is it his or their?) initial emergence from the ice. It really took away from his immediate threat to see the heads bickering with each other like the Three Stooges right after he took over the scene, however. I do enjoy the personality, but I don't know. I'm conflicted, because I see him as King Ghidorah. He is a grand, powerful, prideful, but chaotic force in my mind. I see the gold and think of something great and flawless. He was too direct with his movements and snake-like when moving. Well, it's alright.

Mothra was great for the time where she was on screen and alive (her death and Godzilla's power up were the lowest points for her). The hatching scene in the beginning was sort of like the male MUTO scene, and it was great. Mothra did some cool stuff in this movie, like holding her own again Rodan, which again, we didn't see enough of. The two of them were really good in this movie, but the least attended to.

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Re: Positive things about the portrayal of monsters!

Postby Gawdziller1954 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:27 pm

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_JNavs_ wrote:Were there wolves in G14? I'd be game to see those Wolf titans from the Skull Island concept art, they were confirmed canon I believe in KOTM, so I'd love to see em in GvK.

Yeah, one's sniffing around the aftermath of the Muto's attack on the train and gets spooked just before Ford wakes up. I thought it was neat to see an animal going about its business in the aftermath of a kaiju attack.

That was a coyote
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Postby Komenja » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:55 pm

I love that Mothra manages to avoid killing anyone in her larval scene. Even stabs Rodan just enough to put him out of the fight.
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Postby Huan_of_Valinor » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:26 am

JAGzilla wrote:One thing to note is that this was an abnormally focused, sane rendition of Ghidorah. That's by no means a problem, of course. But it does sort of keep him from being truly definitive, and leaves the door wide open for a similarly spectacular take on the shrieking, spamming, chaotic lunatic that he was in the Showa days.


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perhaps, if the Monsterverse continues, the leftover head will be used to revive or clone King Ghidorah and it'll be a shrieking, spamming, chaotic lunatic due to it not being the original middle head? That might slightly undermine the ending of KotM but it's still a vague possibility.
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Re: Positive things about the portrayal of monsters!

Postby Smuggers » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:42 am

Gawdziller1954 wrote:That was a coyote

Aw poop
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Re: Positive things about the portrayal of monsters!

Postby JAGzilla » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:58 am

Huan_of_Valinor wrote:
JAGzilla wrote:One thing to note is that this was an abnormally focused, sane rendition of Ghidorah. That's by no means a problem, of course. But it does sort of keep him from being truly definitive, and leaves the door wide open for a similarly spectacular take on the shrieking, spamming, chaotic lunatic that he was in the Showa days.


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perhaps, if the Monsterverse continues, the leftover head will be used to revive or clone King Ghidorah and it'll be a shrieking, spamming, chaotic lunatic due to it not being the original middle head? That might slightly undermine the ending of KotM but it's still a vague possibility.



Yep, that's a definite possibility. I wouldn't want to see it, though. I feel like Ghidorah had his Monsterverse spotlight here, and it's time to give somebody else their shot. Let Toho pick Ghidorah back up in a decade or two.

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Re: Positive things about the portrayal of monsters!

Postby daveblackeye15 » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:48 pm

Yeah I love that this King Ghidorah is the bad guy first and foremost, not Jonah Alan controlling him with mind control. I hate how often Ghidorah is mind controlled. I do love how each head is different. I kind of wish we saw Godzilla get to pat Mothra just once, just returning the affection since I love that moment where she weakly climbs up his back.


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