Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

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Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby Vakanai » Wed May 29, 2019 1:31 am

People keep poo-pooing various possible ideas and kaiju from appearing in the Monsterverse because they're less realistic or grounded, and they believe the MV is all about being realistic. But back when the MCU was still mostly a couple of Iron Man movies and an Incredible Hulk people said the same thing about that, and look how far out there the Marvel movies are now. We're only three movies in and we already have islands with permanent hurricanes hiding them, the hollow earth, and a three headed space dragon. Do people really think this film verse is going to stay grounded? What do you think?
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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby Olzh26 » Wed May 29, 2019 5:18 am

I just want to have at least one cinema universe about Godzilla, in which while watching you are not in danger of meeting with magic fairies and green people from space who want to take over the Earth

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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby GoWhaleTours » Wed May 29, 2019 5:28 am

At this point I’m worried if the Monsterverse will remain period.
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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby Ivo-goji » Wed May 29, 2019 5:43 am

We've got like one movie left and I'll be pretty happy with whatever it does.
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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby Your Boy Leroy » Wed May 29, 2019 6:54 am

I look at “grounded” in terms of movies as being a movie that has a consistent tone and cinematography that remains for the most part realistic. I hate swooping CGI camera shots and the moment I see those types of shots in a movie I’m already like, “oh...it’s like that...”

I think any type of film genre can be grounded as long as the film respects itself enough. The worst thing a movie can do is to stop everything to tell a skreeonking stupid ass joke. Nothing screams, “hey, this is just a movie and we know you know that we know this is a movie!” more than that.

That being said, I kind of stopped counting on the Monsterverse being grounded with Kong: Skull Island. I still enjoyed the hell out of it, but to me it just doesn’t fit with G’14. I’m not saying that a movie has to be grim and dark and devoid of humor in order to be grounded. If humor and one-liners come from the characters in a natural way and without drawing too much attention to itself, then I’m all for it.

I would’ve loved to have seen the Monsterverse continue with th tone of G’14, but judging by Kong and, from what it looks like, King of the Monsters, I’ll have to adjust my expectations accordingly. But yeah, I’ll enjoy all of it regardless.

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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby MothraRocks » Wed May 29, 2019 7:16 am

Honestly, with the concept of the Hollow Earth, Ghidorah (probably) being an alien and the concept of Skull Island’s florafauna, I think the MonsterVerse could (if done at an organic pace) easily slide into a more “up in the air” approach.
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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby _JNavs_ » Wed May 29, 2019 7:25 am

The Monsterverse should stay grounded. This universe isn't so much about realism as it is about the Natural Order.

So Hedorah, Biollante, even Gigan could work, then you have the 10s of Godzilla allies who could work.

but I'm not seeing SpaceGodzilla or any of the space alien humanoid gorillas who want to take over, or little magic fairies, or any of that nonsense.
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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Wed May 29, 2019 7:28 am

Only if it stops at GvK.

Otherwise if they just stick to prehistoric leftovers its gonna get old and repetitive so better to slowly move away and more onto Sci-Fi and fantasy elements such as mysticalism and aliens. Especially given the trailers for KotM had shown ruins of an ancient civilization and lava pterosaurs. If that's not "grounded" I don't know what is then.

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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby Olzh26 » Wed May 29, 2019 7:33 am

MothraRocks wrote:Honestly, with the concept of the Hollow Earth, Ghidorah (probably) being an alien and the concept of Skull Island’s florafauna, I think the MonsterVerse could (if done at an organic pace) easily slide into a more “up in the air” approach.

I think these things still adhere to relative realism. and on the skull Island, animals are simply associated with plants by a symbiotic relationship. it's like saying that the Echeneidae is part of the shark's body

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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby Master Doot » Wed May 29, 2019 7:47 am

I think it will remain grounded but give us “in-universe” rules that will allow for more expansive elements while retaining a realistic tone.

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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby Godzilla2000Zero » Wed May 29, 2019 10:58 am

I think it would benefit if it went more into the style of what Gareth Edwards was doing and mix some of the better things from Jordan Vogt Roberts and Mike Dougherty at this point I'm praying that Adam Wingard is the one that can pull it off
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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby GodzillaRangerPrime » Wed May 29, 2019 11:06 am

They should do what the Marvel Cinematic Universe does.

The Monsterverse can have all that crazy stuff like mecha, aliens, and etc, but they have to follow a set of rules/ in-universe logic/ develop it and don’t pull random tech/ magic out of their asses.

You can have varying director styles and new incarnations of the most outlandish Godzilla lore if you execute it right.
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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby G2000 » Wed May 29, 2019 11:17 am

GodzillaRangerPrime wrote:They should do what the Marvel Cinematic Universe does.

The Monsterverse can have all that crazy stuff like mecha, aliens, and etc, but they have to follow a set of rules/ in-universe logic/ develop it and don’t pull random tech/ magic out of their asses.

You can have varying director styles and new incarnations of the most outlandish Godzilla lore if you execute it right.


The MCU pulls stuff out of their ass all the time lol
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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby Dr. Professor » Wed May 29, 2019 11:51 am

If it actually goes past GvK then skreeonk it! Let's get crazy!
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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby BARAGONBREH » Wed May 29, 2019 12:22 pm

Nope. It's already totally ungrounded.

By most accounts, KOTM did what TK fans wanted: it went all out with the looniness. "Go ahead, do it! Marvel did it, so can we!" they said.

The problem is that 1. Marvel is trash that nobody would watch if not for the recognizability of the brand, which is far and above beyond anything Godzilla/Toho will ever accomplish, and 2. the MCU didn't go straight from Iron Man 1 to Guardians of the Galaxy, which seems to be the kind of jump G14 to KOTM has taken. Multiple reviews have said this doesn't feel anything like the same Godzilla as G14 - and haven't been saying so as a compliment.
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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Wed May 29, 2019 3:28 pm

GodzillaRangerPrime wrote:They should do what the Marvel Cinematic Universe does.

The Monsterverse can have all that crazy stuff like mecha, aliens, and etc, but they have to follow a set of rules/ in-universe logic/ develop it and don’t pull random tech/ magic out of their asses.

You can have varying director styles and new incarnations of the most outlandish Godzilla lore if you execute it right.

Again only if it continues after GvK and doing it very slowly. Don't jump off the gun right away though.

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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby Your Boy Leroy » Wed May 29, 2019 4:31 pm

BARAGONBREH wrote:Nope. It's already totally ungrounded.

By most accounts, KOTM did what TK fans wanted: it went all out with the looniness. "Go ahead, do it! Marvel did it, so can we!" they said.

The problem is that 1. Marvel is trash that nobody would watch if not for the recognizability of the brand, which is far and above beyond anything Godzilla/Toho will ever accomplish, and 2. the MCU didn't go straight from Iron Man 1 to Guardians of the Galaxy, which seems to be the kind of jump G14 to KOTM has taken. Multiple reviews have said this doesn't feel anything like the same Godzilla as G14 - and haven't been saying so as a compliment.


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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby Living Corpse » Wed May 29, 2019 6:40 pm

No.

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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby ROMG4 » Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:57 am

BARAGONBREH wrote:Nope. It's already totally ungrounded.

By most accounts, KOTM did what TK fans wanted: it went all out with the looniness. "Go ahead, do it! Marvel did it, so can we!" they said.

The problem is that 1. Marvel is trash that nobody would watch if not for the recognizability of the brand, which is far and above beyond anything Godzilla/Toho will ever accomplish, and 2. the MCU didn't go straight from Iron Man 1 to Guardians of the Galaxy, which seems to be the kind of jump G14 to KOTM has taken. Multiple reviews have said this doesn't feel anything like the same Godzilla as G14 - and haven't been saying so as a compliment.

Why is it that people can only seem to refer to Marvel films when it comes to altered tone and themes between sequels?

However I'll meet you on this. People seem to forget that with Phase 1 yes, we had the mostly serious Iron Man and the dark Incredible Hulk but this was the villain of Iron Man 2

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Dramatic jumps in tone and aesthetic have happened before. As long as they don't dramatically change course too seriously, deviations are more then acceptable as long as the end product is good which is the crux of story-telling and creativity. I mean come on, Kong Skull Island was already radically different from 2014 it's not like a change of tone was wholly unexpected
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Re: Is the Monsterverse going to remain "grounded"?

Postby vibramrunner » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:04 am

Really seems like we're getting either mechagodzilla or mech ghidorah (Mech King Ghidorilla! ?!?!? Kidding but not kidding) so I'm gonna say whatever groundedness we had is out the window. Heck, KOTM was already balls to the wall bonkers just from the plot alone.


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