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Classification and biology of titans
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I noticed some confusion about the classification and biology of titans in MonsterVese, so I created this thread. You can express your thoughts and suggestions about any titan regarding this topic
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Re: Classification and biology of titans
An intreasting topic.
Well given that Godzilla apparently comes from the late Permian, he's not a dinosaur but likely related. From his biology and physiological traits, Godzilla is likely an Archosaur or something pretty close. This is the clade from which Crocodiles, Dinosaurs, Marine Reptile and Pterosaurs all originate.
The MUTO are a species arthropod, but exactly were they fit in the evolutionary line is unknown since their is no real life counterpart. Probably they come from an evolutionary line not seen in our earth's history, something that evolved alongside Godzilla.
Kong is a relative new comer to all this. His species can only be at most between 6 - 7 million years old. It's also hard to pick out exactly were Kong himself fits as he has traits that could put him in the Gorillini, Hominini and Australopithecina lines.
Rodan is also not very simple. While it would be easy to just label him a pterosaur, which would mean his species came about during the Mesozoic Age. But his head and especially his legs are more like those of dinosaurian and birds. As a bit of speculation, given his species volcanic biology it's possible Rodan evolved in the environment created by the chicxulub impact (the meteor that killed the dinosaurs) as this event is currently believed to have been the cause for increased volcanic activity, during an era when significant geological upheaval was going on, if I'm not mistaken.
Mothra... I have no fucking idea.
Well given that Godzilla apparently comes from the late Permian, he's not a dinosaur but likely related. From his biology and physiological traits, Godzilla is likely an Archosaur or something pretty close. This is the clade from which Crocodiles, Dinosaurs, Marine Reptile and Pterosaurs all originate.
The MUTO are a species arthropod, but exactly were they fit in the evolutionary line is unknown since their is no real life counterpart. Probably they come from an evolutionary line not seen in our earth's history, something that evolved alongside Godzilla.
Kong is a relative new comer to all this. His species can only be at most between 6 - 7 million years old. It's also hard to pick out exactly were Kong himself fits as he has traits that could put him in the Gorillini, Hominini and Australopithecina lines.
Rodan is also not very simple. While it would be easy to just label him a pterosaur, which would mean his species came about during the Mesozoic Age. But his head and especially his legs are more like those of dinosaurian and birds. As a bit of speculation, given his species volcanic biology it's possible Rodan evolved in the environment created by the chicxulub impact (the meteor that killed the dinosaurs) as this event is currently believed to have been the cause for increased volcanic activity, during an era when significant geological upheaval was going on, if I'm not mistaken.
Mothra... I have no fucking idea.
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Re: Classification and biology of titans
i'd revise the MUTO part. The MUTOs are vertebrates.Monster X wrote:An intreasting topic.
Well given that Godzilla apparently comes from the late Permian, he's not a dinosaur but likely related. From his biology and physiological traits, Godzilla is likely an Archosaur or something pretty close. This is the clade from which Crocodiles, Dinosaurs, Marine Reptile and Pterosaurs all originate.
The MUTO are a species arthropod, but exactly were they fit in the evolutionary line is unknown since their is no real life counterpart. Probably they come from an evolutionary line not seen in our earth's history, something that evolved alongside Godzilla.
Kong is a relative new comer to all this. His species can only be at most between 6 - 7 million years old. It's also hard to pick out exactly were Kong himself fits as he has traits that could put him in the Gorillini, Hominini and Australopithecina lines.
Rodan is also not very simple. While it would be easy to just label him a pterosaur, which would mean his species came about during the Mesozoic Age. But his head and especially his legs are more like those of dinosaurian and birds. As a bit of speculation, given his species volcanic biology it's possible Rodan evolved in the environment created by the chicxulub impact (the meteor that killed the dinosaurs) as this event is currently believed to have been the cause for increased volcanic activity, during an era when significant geological upheaval was going on, if I'm not mistaken.
Mothra... I have no skreeonking idea.
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Is it possible the MUTOs aren't from Earth?
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Re: Classification and biology of titans
The MUTOs are probably terrestrial placodermsMonster X wrote:An intreasting topic.
Well given that Godzilla apparently comes from the late Permian, he's not a dinosaur but likely related. From his biology and physiological traits, Godzilla is likely an Archosaur or something pretty close. This is the clade from which Crocodiles, Dinosaurs, Marine Reptile and Pterosaurs all originate.
The MUTO are a species arthropod, but exactly were they fit in the evolutionary line is unknown since their is no real life counterpart. Probably they come from an evolutionary line not seen in our earth's history, something that evolved alongside Godzilla.
Kong is a relative new comer to all this. His species can only be at most between 6 - 7 million years old. It's also hard to pick out exactly were Kong himself fits as he has traits that could put him in the Gorillini, Hominini and Australopithecina lines.
Rodan is also not very simple. While it would be easy to just label him a pterosaur, which would mean his species came about during the Mesozoic Age. But his head and especially his legs are more like those of dinosaurian and birds. As a bit of speculation, given his species volcanic biology it's possible Rodan evolved in the environment created by the chicxulub impact (the meteor that killed the dinosaurs) as this event is currently believed to have been the cause for increased volcanic activity, during an era when significant geological upheaval was going on, if I'm not mistaken.
Mothra... I have no skreeonking idea.
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a good idea. This was explained why they are not classified. And justified their title "invasive species"_JNavs_ wrote:Is it possible the MUTOs aren't from Earth?
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but Rodan has wings like pterosaurs, not birdsMonster X wrote:An intreasting topic.
Well given that Godzilla apparently comes from the late Permian, he's not a dinosaur but likely related. From his biology and physiological traits, Godzilla is likely an Archosaur or something pretty close. This is the clade from which Crocodiles, Dinosaurs, Marine Reptile and Pterosaurs all originate.
The MUTO are a species arthropod, but exactly were they fit in the evolutionary line is unknown since their is no real life counterpart. Probably they come from an evolutionary line not seen in our earth's history, something that evolved alongside Godzilla.
Kong is a relative new comer to all this. His species can only be at most between 6 - 7 million years old. It's also hard to pick out exactly were Kong himself fits as he has traits that could put him in the Gorillini, Hominini and Australopithecina lines.
Rodan is also not very simple. While it would be easy to just label him a pterosaur, which would mean his species came about during the Mesozoic Age. But his head and especially his legs are more like those of dinosaurian and birds. As a bit of speculation, given his species volcanic biology it's possible Rodan evolved in the environment created by the chicxulub impact (the meteor that killed the dinosaurs) as this event is currently believed to have been the cause for increased volcanic activity, during an era when significant geological upheaval was going on, if I'm not mistaken.
Mothra... I have no skreeonking idea.
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sea reptiles are not archosaurs.Monster X wrote:An intreasting topic.
Well given that Godzilla apparently comes from the late Permian, he's not a dinosaur but likely related. From his biology and physiological traits, Godzilla is likely an Archosaur or something pretty close. This is the clade from which Crocodiles, Dinosaurs, Marine Reptile and Pterosaurs all originate.
The MUTO are a species arthropod, but exactly were they fit in the evolutionary line is unknown since their is no real life counterpart. Probably they come from an evolutionary line not seen in our earth's history, something that evolved alongside Godzilla.
Kong is a relative new comer to all this. His species can only be at most between 6 - 7 million years old. It's also hard to pick out exactly were Kong himself fits as he has traits that could put him in the Gorillini, Hominini and Australopithecina lines.
Rodan is also not very simple. While it would be easy to just label him a pterosaur, which would mean his species came about during the Mesozoic Age. But his head and especially his legs are more like those of dinosaurian and birds. As a bit of speculation, given his species volcanic biology it's possible Rodan evolved in the environment created by the chicxulub impact (the meteor that killed the dinosaurs) as this event is currently believed to have been the cause for increased volcanic activity, during an era when significant geological upheaval was going on, if I'm not mistaken.
Mothra... I have no skreeonking idea.
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Re: Classification and biology of titans
Marine crocodiles come to mind and besides the point Godzilla and other Titans are just freaks of natureOlzh26 wrote:a good idea. This was explained why they are not classified. And justified their title "invasive species"_JNavs_ wrote:Is it possible the MUTOs aren't from Earth?
Added in 14 minutes 57 seconds:but Rodan has wings like pterosaurs, not birdsMonster X wrote:An intreasting topic.
Well given that Godzilla apparently comes from the late Permian, he's not a dinosaur but likely related. From his biology and physiological traits, Godzilla is likely an Archosaur or something pretty close. This is the clade from which Crocodiles, Dinosaurs, Marine Reptile and Pterosaurs all originate.
The MUTO are a species arthropod, but exactly were they fit in the evolutionary line is unknown since their is no real life counterpart. Probably they come from an evolutionary line not seen in our earth's history, something that evolved alongside Godzilla.
Kong is a relative new comer to all this. His species can only be at most between 6 - 7 million years old. It's also hard to pick out exactly were Kong himself fits as he has traits that could put him in the Gorillini, Hominini and Australopithecina lines.
Rodan is also not very simple. While it would be easy to just label him a pterosaur, which would mean his species came about during the Mesozoic Age. But his head and especially his legs are more like those of dinosaurian and birds. As a bit of speculation, given his species volcanic biology it's possible Rodan evolved in the environment created by the chicxulub impact (the meteor that killed the dinosaurs) as this event is currently believed to have been the cause for increased volcanic activity, during an era when significant geological upheaval was going on, if I'm not mistaken.
Mothra... I have no skreeonking idea.
Added in 21 minutes 45 seconds:sea reptiles are not archosaurs.Monster X wrote:An intreasting topic.
Well given that Godzilla apparently comes from the late Permian, he's not a dinosaur but likely related. From his biology and physiological traits, Godzilla is likely an Archosaur or something pretty close. This is the clade from which Crocodiles, Dinosaurs, Marine Reptile and Pterosaurs all originate.
The MUTO are a species arthropod, but exactly were they fit in the evolutionary line is unknown since their is no real life counterpart. Probably they come from an evolutionary line not seen in our earth's history, something that evolved alongside Godzilla.
Kong is a relative new comer to all this. His species can only be at most between 6 - 7 million years old. It's also hard to pick out exactly were Kong himself fits as he has traits that could put him in the Gorillini, Hominini and Australopithecina lines.
Rodan is also not very simple. While it would be easy to just label him a pterosaur, which would mean his species came about during the Mesozoic Age. But his head and especially his legs are more like those of dinosaurian and birds. As a bit of speculation, given his species volcanic biology it's possible Rodan evolved in the environment created by the chicxulub impact (the meteor that killed the dinosaurs) as this event is currently believed to have been the cause for increased volcanic activity, during an era when significant geological upheaval was going on, if I'm not mistaken.
Mothra... I have no skreeonking idea.
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Re: Classification and biology of titans
I very much prefer my fictional monsters being able to align with the biology of existing life forms on Earth. That is why I’m not too happy with certain creative decisions done with Mothra’s design. Also, I think I just might have preferred the MUTOs if they had been giant yardigrades like the dead creature in the 2012 teaser for G2014. I just feel if you do it that way, the less you have to suspend disbelief.
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Re: Classification and biology of titans
Mothra - Lepidoptera, written on the monarch's siteLegendZilla wrote:I very much prefer my fictional monsters being able to align with the biology of existing life forms on Earth. That is why I’m not too happy with certain creative decisions done with Mothra’s design. Also, I think I just might have preferred the MUTOs if they had been giant yardigrades like the dead creature in the 2012 teaser for G2014. I just feel if you do it that way, the less you have to suspend disbelief.
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As I said before, they screwed up Lediopteran anatomy big time.Olzh26 wrote:Mothra - Lepidoptera, written on the monarch's siteLegendZilla wrote:I very much prefer my fictional monsters being able to align with the biology of existing life forms on Earth. That is why I’m not too happy with certain creative decisions done with Mothra’s design. Also, I think I just might have preferred the MUTOs if they had been giant yardigrades like the dead creature in the 2012 teaser for G2014. I just feel if you do it that way, the less you have to suspend disbelief.
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Anybody wanna take a shot at classifying Ghidorah?
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will not work because it is from spacemattman559 wrote:Anybody wanna take a shot at classifying Ghidorah?
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The MUTO being an alien species is not far fetched given that Ghidorah is now a part of the monster verse. Given that they have highly conflicting traits for an earth species I’d say it’s possible.Olzh26 wrote:a good idea. This was explained why they are not classified. And justified their title "invasive species"_JNavs_ wrote:Is it possible the MUTOs aren't from Earth?
but Rodan has wings like pterosaurs, not birds
sea reptiles are not archosaurs.
While Rodan’s wing are like pterosaurs, his head is much smaller in proportion to his body size then any large Pterosaur I’m awaire of. Also as far as we know, not pterosaur used their feet the way modern predatory birds do. What I’m suggesting, and didn’t make clear the first time, Rodan is a related species but not actually one of there number.
As for marine reptiles, you correct. Sorry I was really tired when I typed all this up and made a mistake.
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Re: Classification and biology of titans
With the new Kayu, too, not everything is easy. especially with the mammoth monkey. considering that he is from Brazil, he is possibly a monkey which has similar features with a mammoth due to convergence
mountain titan is some kind of primitive ungulate
mountain titan is some kind of primitive ungulate
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I think the MUTOs must be some sort of extremely evolved placoderm. Only earthly possibility that makes sense.
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While Ghidorah has no biological equivalent on earth, after some spoilers I can suggest how to classify him, possibly.
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Re: Classification and biology of titans
Probably should have put this here first, instead of the "Godzilla species" thread, but oh well.
Can we even say that he and the other Titans are a species?
There are a few ways to define a species, but the easiest for living organisms is that they can reproduce and make fertile offspring. Now, we know of two Titanus gojira, so they are. Mothra seems to come from an egg in this universe, so it seems she is. But the others?
Also, putting them all in the same genus is complicated but likely incorrect, unless all titans are genetically related.
Can we even say that he and the other Titans are a species?
There are a few ways to define a species, but the easiest for living organisms is that they can reproduce and make fertile offspring. Now, we know of two Titanus gojira, so they are. Mothra seems to come from an egg in this universe, so it seems she is. But the others?
Also, putting them all in the same genus is complicated but likely incorrect, unless all titans are genetically related.
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spoilers are not prohibitedMonster X wrote:While Ghidorah has no biological equivalent on earth, after some spoilers I can suggest how to classify him, possibly.
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Skullcrawlers are probably mosasaurs adapted to subterranean environments.
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Why does everyone in this forum think that Muto is the placoderm? explain pleaseCryptid_Liker wrote:I think the MUTOs must be some sort of extremely evolved placoderm. Only earthly possibility that makes sense.
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