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Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 11:48 am
by miguelnuva
Godzillian wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:Toho rejected a crossover because they would be getting half the profit and the market was already in dwindling down.

I stand by my orginal statement, if the MV continues past GvsK and starts doing better and better we may see Gamera show up and they should introduce in Godzilla vs Gamera first.

Godzilla and Kong are household names. Why would Legendary bother using a character that is basically unknown outside of Japan and kaiju fandom? Why pay for the rights to Gamera when they have Rodan, Mothra, and Ghidorah on top of their two flagship characters?


Because

1. Legendary has hardcore kaiju fans working who likely know Gamera.

2. Gamera has had two Simpson's cameos alongside Godzilla and a panel at NYCC so not that unknown.

3. Iron Man and some of the most popular mcu charcters were also unknown to the GA at first and now look.

Charcters have to be built up.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 11:59 am
by Cookson
This is obvious, but we have to get through GKotM and GvsK with healthy box office results before we start giving LESSER known Kaiju their own movies etc.

That’s what I want more than anything... Monsterverse films that don’t have the words Godzilla or Kong in the title, but those two characters have to be majorly successful before they do more with others since they’re their main money makers. Kaiju Hollywood films aren’t cheap.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 12:10 pm
by Vakanai
Cookson wrote:This is obvious, but we have to get through GKotM and GvsK with healthy box office results before we start giving LESSER known Kaiju their own movies etc.

Well obviously, but then we'd have nothing to discuss or speculate about, so we just assume that those two movies will at least be as successful as the first two if not more so and go from there. If they're successful, could Gamera be in the MV? Probably won't be, but no real reason why not.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 12:11 pm
by Godzillian
Cookson wrote:This is obvious, but we have to get through GKotM and GvsK with healthy box office results before we start giving LESSER known Kaiju their own movies etc.

That’s what I want more than anything... Monsterverse films that don’t have the words Godzilla or Kong in the title, but those two characters have to be majorly successful before they do more with others since they’re their main money makers. Kaiju Hollywood films aren’t cheap.

I totally agree, I'd love some monsterverse originals but time will tell

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 1:44 pm
by Smuggers
miguelnuva wrote:Gamera has had two Simpson's cameos

Well I guess now they have to put him in the monsterverse.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 2:10 pm
by Ben Shapiro
Smuggers wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:Gamera has had two Simpson's cameos

Well I guess now they have to put him in the monsterverse.

Damn, these arguments for Gamera just keep getting better and better.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 2:28 pm
by _JNavs_
I'd say he has a much better chance than someone like Ultraman.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:11 pm
by miguelnuva
Smuggers wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:Gamera has had two Simpson's cameos

Well I guess now they have to put him in the monsterverse.


Yep let's selective post to try and tear down an argument.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:13 pm
by Nathus214
I don't know if this means anything but everyone and their pet uh turtle names their pet turtle/tortoise Gamera. They know the name probably.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:20 pm
by _JNavs_
That's definitely true, I feel like 4/5 turtles are named Gamera.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:28 pm
by Smuggers
miguelnuva wrote:Yep let's selective post to try and tear down an argument.

Sorry if my joke cut too deep but your argument was literally "Hardcore kaiju fans at Legendary" (complete conjecture, Thomas Tull is the one who really pushed for giant monster films and he doesn't even work there anymore), " Dude, Simpsons references" and "But Marvel!". If Legendary wants to go for Gamera they can but there's currently absolutely nothing suggesting they will.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:34 pm
by UltramanGoji
Comparing Gamera to Iron Man is dumb. One has the capacity of being played by a recognizable actor and the other would be nothing more than a CGI creation. Iron Man became a cultural icon because of RDJ. Gamera will not have the same luxury.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:39 pm
by Rokmutul
UltramanGoji wrote:Comparing Gamera to Iron Man is dumb. One has the capacity of being played by a recognizable actor and the other would be nothing more than a CGI creation. Iron Man became a cultural icon because of RDJ. Gamera will not have the same luxury.

This.
Kaiju don't have the luxury of having human drama or major character development or even be relatable for the audience because well...they're 300 ft beasts. The best comparison would be Groot since he barely talks and is completely CG.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:50 pm
by UltramanGoji
And even then Groot still isn't that compatible because his voice actor is still a pretty high profile actor.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 6:28 pm
by Ben Shapiro
miguelnuva wrote:
Smuggers wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:Gamera has had two Simpson's cameos

Well I guess now they have to put him in the monsterverse.


Yep let's selective post to try and tear down an argument.

It… wasn’t a very good argument though.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 6:44 pm
by Rokmutul
Once the Monsterverse becomes a major success, then we'll see Gamera. It all really depends on how G: KOTM performs to see if the chance of the Monsterverse being a major success is possible. Let's say it does a staggering $800 million-$1 billion. G v K comes around and then makes $1 billion. Then at this rate, Gamera could realistically be apart of the Monsterverse. If this doesn't happen, the friend of all children will not be in this universe.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 6:54 pm
by miguelnuva
Ben Shapiro wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:
Smuggers wrote:Well I guess now they have to put him in the monsterverse.


Yep let's selective post to try and tear down an argument.

It… wasn’t a very good argument though.


The argument was no one outside of Japan onew Gamera, I mentioned the two cameos and a panel at nycc.

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Smuggers wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:Yep let's selective post to try and tear down an argument.

Sorry if my joke cut too deep but your argument was literally "Hardcore kaiju fans at Legendary" (complete conjecture, Thomas Tull is the one who really pushed for giant monster films and he doesn't even work there anymore), " Dude, Simpsons references" and "But Marvel!". If Legendary wants to go for Gamera they can but there's currently absolutely nothing suggesting they will.


Doughtery is a fan and Tull is still at Legendary. The Simpsons and Nycc were brought up to show Gamera was not only know in America.

Marvel was used to show that unknown properties can be made popular with the right team behind them. My argument isn't that Gamers is going to be in the monsterverse my argument is that I don't think he's an impossibility if the MV gets more successful.

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UltramanGoji wrote:Comparing Gamera to Iron Man is dumb. One has the capacity of being played by a recognizable actor and the other would be nothing more than a CGI creation. Iron Man became a cultural icon because of RDJ. Gamera will not have the same luxury.


RDJ was just one part of Iron Man's success. If Gamera had a big budget introduction like the Shibuya scene it could help him out.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 7:28 pm
by Smuggers
I'd forgotten about Tull coming back. Still, I think GvK was the big thing he was gunning for and Dougherty's just a director they hired, he doesn't have big clout at the studio. I think he'd sooner see Trick r Treat 2 than Gamera in the Monsterverse anyway. Nobody's trying to argue that literally nobody knows who Gamera is, and pointing out a references in tv show isn't proving anything but the writer knowing who he is. There's no way to tell if the viewers recognized him. NYCC is for nerd stuff anyway so I don't know why that'd be a shocker, but man did that end up going anywhere. Maybe Gamera should get his own series back on track before he starts making guest appearances overseas. So I don't really think he's poised to show up.

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 7:39 pm
by Rokmutul
Let's say Gamera is somehow introduced into the Monsterverse, what would be the best route to introduce him in? In a Godzilla vs Gamera film? Godzilla 3/4/5 etc with Gamera just in the mix? Gamera solo film?

Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse

Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 8:12 pm
by UltramanGoji
Rokmutul wrote:Let's say Gamera is somehow introduced into the Monsterverse, what would be the best route to introduce him in? In a Godzilla vs Gamera film? Godzilla 3/4/5 etc with Gamera just in the mix? Gamera solo film?


Godzilla vs. Gamera. He would need the bump to become anywhere close to relevant.