Re: Gamera in the Monsterverse
Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:12 pm
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Equivocation fallacyGodzillaFan1990's wrote:Hey don't forget the most of all yo!
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While comparisons to the MCU are overdone and tiring it's worth noting that they started out with the relatively "grounded" Iron Man I and II and The Incredible Hulk before they got all space fantasy with the rest_JNavs_ wrote:I don't think Marvel counts here, since most of what's been done in the MCU is complete fantasy and a far cry from what the Monsterverse has aimed for in the past 5 years.
That's true, but they also had Thor around the same time Ironman 2 came out (I think), so while the grounded elements were definitely there, it was pretty short lived as soon as Thor popped up.G2000 wrote:While comparisons to the MCU are overdone and tiring it's worth noting that they started out with the relatively "grounded" Iron Man I and II and The Incredible Hulk before they got all space fantasy with the rest_JNavs_ wrote:I don't think Marvel counts here, since most of what's been done in the MCU is complete fantasy and a far cry from what the Monsterverse has aimed for in the past 5 years.
You mean what the Monsterverse has aimed for in all of two, maybe three movies? The realism/fantasy stand is far from set in stone. Besides, I'd argue "pseudo-realism" has more to do with the tone and atmosphere than the quasi scientific plausibility really. Gamera can easily fit into a franchise with the Hollow Earth and space dragons. Just give him the same pseudo science fiction based spiel everything else has._JNavs_ wrote:I don't think Marvel counts here, since most of what's been done in the MCU is complete fantasy and a far cry from what the Monsterverse has aimed for in the past 5 years.
Plus both GotG and Rampage, specifically more so Rampage, played up the comedy and upped the fun factor to max while diminishing it's story and themes .
The Monsterverse while touching on elements such as extraterrestrial life and the Hollow Earth theory, keep it a lot more uniform and science-based. It's Pseudo-realism with touches of the fantastical (within the realm of believability and homaging what's come before)
Gamera could be the Monsterverse's Thor._JNavs_ wrote:That's true, but they also had Thor around the same time Ironman 2 came out (I think), so while the grounded elements were definitely there, it was pretty short lived as soon as Thor popped up.G2000 wrote:While comparisons to the MCU are overdone and tiring it's worth noting that they started out with the relatively "grounded" Iron Man I and II and The Incredible Hulk before they got all space fantasy with the rest_JNavs_ wrote:I don't think Marvel counts here, since most of what's been done in the MCU is complete fantasy and a far cry from what the Monsterverse has aimed for in the past 5 years.
Oh no I think you misunderstood, I think Gamera could fit in the Monsterverse. But comparing the Monsterverse to something like GOTG or Rampage just isn't the same for the reasons I listed.Vakanai wrote:You mean what the Monsterverse has aimed for in all of two, maybe three movies? The realism/fantasy stand is far from set in stone. Besides, I'd argue "pseudo-realism" has more to do with the tone and atmosphere than the quasi scientific plausibility really. Gamera can easily fit into a franchise with the Hollow Earth and space dragons. Just give him the same pseudo science fiction based spiel everything else has._JNavs_ wrote:I don't think Marvel counts here, since most of what's been done in the MCU is complete fantasy and a far cry from what the Monsterverse has aimed for in the past 5 years.
Plus both GotG and Rampage, specifically more so Rampage, played up the comedy and upped the fun factor to max while diminishing it's story and themes .
The Monsterverse while touching on elements such as extraterrestrial life and the Hollow Earth theory, keep it a lot more uniform and science-based. It's Pseudo-realism with touches of the fantastical (within the realm of believability and homaging what's come before)
Oh yeah, okay then I get that. Although I wouldn't mind a comedy film or two set in the Monsterverse just for variety._JNavs_ wrote:Oh no I think you misunderstood, I think Gamera could fit in the Monsterverse. But comparing the Monsterverse to something like GOTG or Rampage just isn't the same for the reasons I listed.Vakanai wrote:You mean what the Monsterverse has aimed for in all of two, maybe three movies? The realism/fantasy stand is far from set in stone. Besides, I'd argue "pseudo-realism" has more to do with the tone and atmosphere than the quasi scientific plausibility really. Gamera can easily fit into a franchise with the Hollow Earth and space dragons. Just give him the same pseudo science fiction based spiel everything else has._JNavs_ wrote:I don't think Marvel counts here, since most of what's been done in the MCU is complete fantasy and a far cry from what the Monsterverse has aimed for in the past 5 years.
Plus both GotG and Rampage, specifically more so Rampage, played up the comedy and upped the fun factor to max while diminishing it's story and themes .
The Monsterverse while touching on elements such as extraterrestrial life and the Hollow Earth theory, keep it a lot more uniform and science-based. It's Pseudo-realism with touches of the fantastical (within the realm of believability and homaging what's come before)
Nahh..... How would you even make a comedy when there's giant monsters and humans in the same screen? Would the death of thousands of humans be played for laughs?Vakanai wrote: Oh yeah, okay then I get that. Although I wouldn't mind a comedy film or two set in the Monsterverse just for variety.
That's messed up...Hokmuto wrote: Would the death of thousands of humans be played for laughs?
Exactly, I just can't see it. At most if they include Baragon, he could be played off as a "cute" kaiju for laughs, while still being able to look vicious, but that's Mothra's job.Hokmuto wrote:Nahh..... How would you even make a comedy when there's giant monsters and humans in the same screen? Would the death of thousands of humans be played for laughs?Vakanai wrote: Oh yeah, okay then I get that. Although I wouldn't mind a comedy film or two set in the Monsterverse just for variety.
Obviously not, I meant more like along the lines of Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man. MCU comedy, not Dracula Dead and Loving It with Godzilla. I think that kind of more comedic tone could work.Hokmuto wrote:Nahh..... How would you even make a comedy when there's giant monsters and humans in the same screen? Would the death of thousands of humans be played for laughs?Vakanai wrote: Oh yeah, okay then I get that. Although I wouldn't mind a comedy film or two set in the Monsterverse just for variety.
Gamera is Guardian of the Universe and would trump Godzilla anyway.Ben Shapiro wrote:Godzilla’s already the guardian of the Earth in this universe, adding Gamera would be redundant.
one, how do they know it's Kumonga and not Scylla?miguelnuva wrote:Gamera is Guardian of the Universe and would trump Godzilla anyway.Ben Shapiro wrote:Godzilla’s already the guardian of the Earth in this universe, adding Gamera would be redundant.
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Anyone see the suspect concept art?
https://www.godzilla-movies.com/news/mo ... e-art-book
This plus this.
https://bloody-disgusting.com/interview ... -spoilers/
I'd bet the house they're Easter eggs but had Kotm blown up at the box office I do wonder if Gamera was on radar.tyrantgoji wrote:one, how do they know it's Kumonga and not Scylla?miguelnuva wrote:Gamera is Guardian of the Universe and would trump Godzilla anyway.Ben Shapiro wrote:Godzilla’s already the guardian of the Earth in this universe, adding Gamera would be redundant.
Added in 15 days 2 hours 29 minutes 21 seconds:
Anyone see the suspect concept art?
https://www.godzilla-movies.com/news/mo ... e-art-book
This plus this.
https://bloody-disgusting.com/interview ... -spoilers/
two, while i do agree that the other two are certainly Gigan and Gamera, it's probably just easter eggs and nothing more.
oh I hope this is legit... beautiful indeed.miguelnuva wrote:Gamera is Guardian of the Universe and would trump Godzilla anyway.Ben Shapiro wrote:Godzilla’s already the guardian of the Earth in this universe, adding Gamera would be redundant.
Added in 15 days 2 hours 29 minutes 21 seconds:
Anyone see the suspect concept art?
https://www.godzilla-movies.com/news/mo ... e-art-book
This plus this.
https://bloody-disgusting.com/interview ... -spoilers/
After what happened with Kotm I think we need Godzilla vs Kong to be decent(700m+) and at least one more film after that to do 600m+.Vakanai wrote:Seems to be more talk of Gamera on this forum lately. Anyone still hopeful Gamera could get a MonsterVerse movie after Godzilla vs Kong?