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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:22 am

H-Man wrote:So no Oscar nomination for Godzilla, King of the Monsters. The Visual Effects nominees are:

Avengers: Endgame
The Irishman
The Lion King
1917
Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker


I don't think anyone's surprised lol
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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby G2000 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:26 am

I hope The Irishman or 1917 wins
The de-aging SFX in The Irishman wasn't 100% but it worked well enough, and while I haven't yet seen 1917 it looks pretty impressive
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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Cryptid_Liker » Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:58 am

We have someone who apparently watched the movie before re-edits!

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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Jeff-Goldblum2 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:17 am

What does the Christian imagery with King Ghidorah mean?

In the shot when Ghidorah lands on the volcano and makes his call to the other monsters, in front of the frame on the very right is a Christian cross.

Does this mean anything in relation to Ghidorah?

These things don't just appear by accident, they are carefully selected during the filmmaking process.

Does it mean the fall of mankind's lord and the rise of the monster's lord? As Jesus once heralded in a new age for mankind Ghidorah now heralds in a new age for the monsters.

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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Nani » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:12 pm

Jeff-Goldblum2 wrote:What does the Christian imagery with King Ghidorah mean?

In the shot when Ghidorah lands on the volcano and makes his call to the other monsters, in front of the frame on the very right is a Christian cross.

Does this mean anything in relation to Ghidorah?

These things don't just appear by accident, they are carefully selected during the filmmaking process.

Does it mean the fall of mankind's lord and the rise of the monster's lord? As Jesus once heralded in a new age for mankind Ghidorah now heralds in a new age for the monsters.

I think it refers to “The Beast” from the book of Revelations. The Beast is essentially called the False god. Revelations 13:3 “One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.”

Sounds a lot like Ghidorah to me, considering “Kevin” had a mortal wound and fully healed by growing back. Then I suppose you could say the risen titans were the one who followed The Beast.
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Postby Jeff-Goldblum2 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:38 pm

Cool. Sounds like it.

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Postby Jetty_Jags » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:43 pm

I wish they stuck to the revelation motif more, would have made the film more unique. But yeah, gido is pretty much an homage to Satan.
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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Godzillasaurus » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:55 pm

Gotta love how people always skreeonk and moan about a tiny little continuity error like this in KOTM yet consider it "totally fine because it happens" in Endgame when Ant-Man is sitting in a van and is suddenly shoving a skreeonking chitauri leviathan through a portal in the next shot, or when Thanos' armor on his right arm suddenly disappears whilst he fights Captain Marvel. Or also when Captain America's shield just suddenly assembles itself again for the Portals scene.

Jesus Christ the bias here.....

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Postby Jetty_Jags » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:02 pm

Whose complaining about continuity?
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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Gigantis » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:03 pm

Godzillasaurus wrote:Gotta love how people always skreeonk and moan about a tiny little continuity error like this in KOTM yet consider it "totally fine because it happens" in Endgame when Ant-Man is sitting in a van and is suddenly shoving a skreeonking chitauri leviathan through a portal in the next shot, or when Thanos' armor on his right arm suddenly disappears whilst he fights Captain Marvel. Or also when Captain America's shield just suddenly assembles itself again for the Portals scene.

Jesus Christ the bias here.....


Wait huh? I'm pretty sure the shield was still in shambles. Also i think Marvel blew a piece of the shield off.

Also, errors are errors. But stuff like that are little things, and KOTM's errors..are not little. At all.
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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby _JNavs_ » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:06 pm

tyrantgoji wrote:Also, errors are errors. But stuff like that are little things, and KOTM's errors..are not little. At all.

Such as?
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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Gigantis » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:33 am

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tyrantgoji wrote:Also, errors are errors. But stuff like that are little things, and KOTM's errors..are not little. At all.

Such as?


Godzilla can somehow run in and slam Ghidorah's head into the ground, showing than he can already ragdoll him, and this was before the powerup. Now doing that even against one head is already pretty impressive since Ghidorah weighs tons more, so where the heck was this strength against the M.U.T.O's? This shows that Godzilla's power level is oddly dysfunctional.

Also, every MonsterVerse story, book or otherwise, cannot decide how many nukes struck Godzilla. Like in G14 and KSI, they say only one, but in KOTM and Birth of Kong they say multiple. Which is it?! If the writers keep fumbling like this i'm sure other people are gonna call them out for how odd the continuity is.
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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Living Corpse » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:14 am

tyrantgoji wrote:
_JNavs_ wrote:
tyrantgoji wrote:Also, errors are errors. But stuff like that are little things, and KOTM's errors..are not little. At all.

Such as?


Godzilla can somehow run in and slam Ghidorah's head into the ground, showing than he can already ragdoll him, and this was before the powerup. Now doing that even against one head is already pretty impressive since Ghidorah weighs tons more, so where the heck was this strength against the M.U.T.O's? This shows that Godzilla's power level is oddly dysfunctional.

Also, every MonsterVerse story, book or otherwise, cannot decide how many nukes struck Godzilla. Like in G14 and KSI, they say only one, but in KOTM and Birth of Kong they say multiple. Which is it?! If the writers keep fumbling like this i'm sure other people are gonna call them out for how odd the continuity is.


King Ghidorah just woke up after being frozen for a long ass time, Godzilla was exposed to radiation from the San Fransisco nuke. Also Godzilla isn't the only monster with superhuman strength. Male MUTO managed to life Godzilla for a bit.
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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby _JNavs_ » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:15 am

tyrantgoji wrote:
_JNavs_ wrote:
tyrantgoji wrote:Also, errors are errors. But stuff like that are little things, and KOTM's errors..are not little. At all.

Such as?


Godzilla can somehow run in and slam Ghidorah's head into the ground, showing than he can already ragdoll him, and this was before the powerup. Now doing that even against one head is already pretty impressive since Ghidorah weighs tons more, so where the heck was this strength against the M.U.T.O's? This shows that Godzilla's power level is oddly dysfunctional.

Also, every MonsterVerse story, book or otherwise, cannot decide how many nukes struck Godzilla. Like in G14 and KSI, they say only one, but in KOTM and Birth of Kong they say multiple. Which is it?! If the writers keep fumbling like this i'm sure other people are gonna call them out for how odd the continuity is.

Godzilla dragged one head into the ground, he's a beast that's what he does. He weighs about 90k tons of pure muscle and fat, he'd surely drop a snake neck into the ground with raw force, which is, yes, a neck attached to a heavier monster. That's a non-issue though, as weight distribution is a heavy factor here.

The MUTOs were also getting pushed around, however the female was built like a tank so she was shoved around, while the male was literally tossed city blocks.

Nuke count is not a huge deal, as a nuke is still a nuke, regardless of the amount dropped. I'm sure it's just a case of he-said-she-said in universe
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Postby Living Corpse » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:19 am

Yeah there's that too. Slamming one of Ghidorah's heads into the ground and slamming all of him into the ground are two different things. It's like comparing grabbing someone's arm and slamming it into a table and grabbing someone by the torso and slamming their entire body into a wall.
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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby miguelnuva » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:45 am

tyrantgoji wrote:
_JNavs_ wrote:
tyrantgoji wrote:Also, errors are errors. But stuff like that are little things, and KOTM's errors..are not little. At all.

Such as?


Godzilla can somehow run in and slam Ghidorah's head into the ground, showing than he can already ragdoll him, and this was before the powerup. Now doing that even against one head is already pretty impressive since Ghidorah weighs tons more, so where the heck was this strength against the M.U.T.O's? This shows that Godzilla's power level is oddly dysfunctional.

Also, every MonsterVerse story, book or otherwise, cannot decide how many nukes struck Godzilla. Like in G14 and KSI, they say only one, but in KOTM and Birth of Kong they say multiple. Which is it?! If the writers keep fumbling like this i'm sure other people are gonna call them out for how odd the continuity is.


In G14 Sally Hawkins said Godzilla was nuked multiple times in the 60's. As for Strength he stopped the Female in mod air when she was jumping at him with one arm.
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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Jeff-Goldblum2 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:29 am

King of The Monsters is way better than Endgame.

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Postby Godzillasaurus » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:08 pm

^I agree 100%. Endgame is probably the most overrated movie I've ever seen. It's not an abomination, but it's not THAT goddamn great either. It's painfully average, maybe even below average.

One of the aspects which really irks me is how people continue to skreeonk about the issues in KOTM yet totally neglect the whole slew of problems with Endgame. Like those continuity issues I mentioned earlier, the fact that the climax is totally irrelevant to the plot, the fact that the climax looks like poop and is nothing more than some poop flying on the screen for 10 minutes, the plot contrivances, etc.

Sure, if you hate KOTM, fine, that's your opinion. But Jesus Christ, there is nothing objectively better about the action scenes in Avengers Endgame by comparison to those in KOTM.

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Re: Godzilla King of the Monsters General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby Gigantis » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:16 pm

Godzillasaurus wrote:^I agree 100%. Endgame is probably the most overrated movie I've ever seen. It's not an abomination, but it's not THAT goddamn great either. It's painfully average, maybe even below average.

One of the aspects which really irks me is how people continue to skreeonk about the issues in KOTM yet totally neglect the whole slew of problems with Endgame. Like those continuity issues I mentioned earlier, the fact that the climax is totally irrelevant to the plot, the fact that the climax looks like poop and is nothing more than some poop flying on the screen for 10 minutes, the plot contrivances, etc.

Sure, if you hate KOTM, fine, that's your opinion. But Jesus Christ, there is nothing objectively better about the action scenes in Avengers Endgame by comparison to those in KOTM.


I don't recall anyone saying things in Endgame were objectively better, and the entire "climax looks like poop" thing is your opinion, not fact.

If anything Endgame's pretty good as far as Marvel films go because honestly i don't like most of them sans the Avengers films.
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Postby UltramanGoji » Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:33 pm

Endgame is a much better film than KOTM.

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