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Re: Godzilla ² General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby GhidorahLives » Sat May 25, 2019 7:37 am

Again thanks to all that have seen KOTM for answering questions.

I am trying to piece together the sequence of events that lead to 'Fire' Godzilla.

Ghidorah drags Godzilla to the upper atmosphere and then drops him. Ghidorah follows Godzilla down and then before Ghidorah can attack a weakened Godzilla Mothra intercepts shielding Godzilla from the gravity beams and is destroyed in the process. Mothra's 'life force' rains on Godzilla. Ghidorah then begins draining Godzilla of energy. Dr. Emma Russell then gets Ghidorhah to follow her using the Orca I guess allowing Godzilla more time to heal. Fire Godzilla then surprises Ghidorah from behind.

Are there physical altercations between Fire Godzilla and Ghidorah?

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Postby LockBite » Sat May 25, 2019 8:29 am

Vandarker wrote:
American Godzilla wrote:I've heard that Ghidorah has regenerative powers. How does this (plus Ghidorah's armored hide/durability) handle Godzilla blue Atomic Breath? Does Ghidorah not take any damage from it?

Ghidorah is durable enough to not take any damage from Godzilla's atomic breath. He gets pushed back or knocked over when he's caught off guard, but he takes no real damage.

The only time Ghidorah uses his regenerative powers is when he re-grows his head, other than that he pretty much never gets injured until Fire Godzilla comes on scene. And Fire Godzilla is so powerful that Ghidorah is literally obliterated and doesn't even get a chance to regenerate.

Do we ever see the atomic breath hitting anything besides Ghidorah so we can get an idea of how powerful it is?

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Postby Pkmatrix » Sat May 25, 2019 9:02 am

LockBite wrote:
Vandarker wrote:
American Godzilla wrote:I've heard that Ghidorah has regenerative powers. How does this (plus Ghidorah's armored hide/durability) handle Godzilla blue Atomic Breath? Does Ghidorah not take any damage from it?

Ghidorah is durable enough to not take any damage from Godzilla's atomic breath. He gets pushed back or knocked over when he's caught off guard, but he takes no real damage.

The only time Ghidorah uses his regenerative powers is when he re-grows his head, other than that he pretty much never gets injured until Fire Godzilla comes on scene. And Fire Godzilla is so powerful that Ghidorah is literally obliterated and doesn't even get a chance to regenerate.

Do we ever see the atomic breath hitting anything besides Ghidorah so we can get an idea of how powerful it is?


During the Antarctica fight, Godzilla accidentally blows up what's left of the Monarch Outpost ... that's the only thing I remember

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Postby LockBite » Sat May 25, 2019 9:02 am

Nice, thank you

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Postby Smuggers » Sat May 25, 2019 10:10 am

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Postby Godzilla2000Zero » Sat May 25, 2019 11:00 am

GhidorahLives wrote:Again thanks to all that have seen KOTM for answering questions.

I am trying to piece together the sequence of events that lead to 'Fire' Godzilla.

Ghidorah drags Godzilla to the upper atmosphere and then drops him. Ghidorah follows Godzilla down and then before Ghidorah can attack a weakened Godzilla Mothra intercepts shielding Godzilla from the gravity beams and is destroyed in the process. Mothra's 'life force' rains on Godzilla. Ghidorah then begins draining Godzilla of energy. Dr. Emma Russell then gets Ghidorhah to follow her using the Orca I guess allowing Godzilla more time to heal. Fire Godzilla then surprises Ghidorah from behind.

Are there physical altercations between Fire Godzilla and Ghidorah?

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Postby American Godzilla » Sat May 25, 2019 11:04 am

Vandarker wrote:
American Godzilla wrote:I've heard that Ghidorah has regenerative powers. How does this (plus Ghidorah's armored hide/durability) handle Godzilla blue Atomic Breath? Does Ghidorah not take any damage from it?

Ghidorah is durable enough to not take any damage from Godzilla's atomic breath. He gets pushed back or knocked over when he's caught off guard, but he takes no real damage.

The only time Ghidorah uses his regenerative powers is when he re-grows his head, other than that he pretty much never gets injured until Fire Godzilla comes on scene. And Fire Godzilla is so powerful that Ghidorah is literally obliterated and doesn't even get a chance to regenerate.

Thank you for answering :)

My goodness, this Ghidorah sounds like a powerful one! I figured it would be when I first heard that Ghidorah would be in this film as in just about every other Godzilla movie, Godzilla alone and with his Blue Atomic Breath was not match for Ghidorah (save for GMK Godzilla, but let's not go there). I figured that Ghidorah would take minor damage from the blue Atomic Breath, but NO damage! Now that's saying something.

This is why Ghidorah is my #1 non-Godzilla favorite kaiju, it's powerful enough to rival Godzilla as long as Godzilla does not receive help or power-ups. Can't wait for a PC game where I can play this version of Ghidorah and have a "rematch" against this Godzilla :)
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Re: Godzilla ² General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby BrazilianKaiju » Sat May 25, 2019 11:10 am

The MUTOs EMP does not weaken Godzilla. That is just some dumb misconceptions fans took from the novelization because they couldn’t accept that Godzilla’s breath wasn’t a beam. Even then from the novelization it was something the Male Muto could do to shut off the atom breath, not weaken it.



It's true, but what was the point of the Mutos EMP during the Stone Age? it makes no sense.


MUTO prime isn't superior than Godzilla. She didn't kill Dagon for one thing, she just knocked him down and planted her eggs inside him. The eggs leached off Dagon's radiation which slowly drove him to his deathbed.

She tried to do that with Godzilla too, she just stunned/injured him and tried to lay her eggs inside him. She got totally wrecked when Godzilla was given a chance to get back up, so I wouldn't say she's superior to Godzilla. Plus if Godzilla was like his 2019 self I doubt he would have gotten beaten down by Prime in the first place.


I did not read Aftershock, so I'm considering this:

"As depicted in the Phoenician stone tablets, however, Dagon was no match for MUTO Prime in physical combat and was quickly brought down and infected with his enemy's parasitic young, eventually leading to his death."

"They witnessed the arrival of what was almost certainly Jinshin-Mushi, which attacked Dagon and knocked him to the ground before extending arrow-tipped tentacles from its body and stabbing him with them. Dagon eventually regained consciousness and returned to the sea, with the inscriptions suggesting that he had miraculously been saved from death. However, Monarch's Dr. Emma Russell knew what had really become of Dagon. Jinshin-Mushi had implanted its parasitic young inside of Dagon's body. These parasites leeched off of Dagon's internal nuclear energy until he finally collapsed and died, becoming entombed in a cave in the Philippines which had been uncovered in 1999"

He definitely defeated Dagon, but he needed a live host to feed his eggs. The relationship is the same between a wasp and a tarantula. The wasp is the predator here.

And, about Godzilla:

"MUTO Prime's eggs emit a sonic pulse while inside a host that signals to their mother that they are safely incubating and change MUTO Prime's response from fight to flight. Emma Russell was able to exploit this by replicating the sonic pulse effect, called the "Drums of Raijin," using a prototype for her sonar device the ORCA. This pacified MUTO Prime long enough for Godzilla to take the upper hand in their battle. While its shell can protect it from most damage, MUTO Prime is finally killed when Godzilla stomps on and crushes its head while it is helpless after being knocked onto its back."

"Godzilla can also be outmatched in one-on-one combat by an enemy comparable to him in size and strength, as observed in his encounters with MUTO Prime. MUTO Prime relies on its powerful forelimbs to stun Godzilla with a well-timed punch to the face, while also successfully drawing blood from him with the sharp claws on its smaller additional arms. MUTO Prime's sonic roar is also powerful enough to completely shatter his dorsal fins. MUTO Prime's speed allows it to escape before Godzilla can react, meaning MUTO Prime gradually weakens Godzilla over several encounters by attacking him and retreating before it sustains any damage itself. Monarch determines that Godzilla lost his battle against MUTO Prime in France, as he sustains numerous wounds while MUTO Prime escapes mostly unharmed. Godzilla is nearly infected by MUTO Prime's parasitic spores twice, and only manages to survive and win their final battle in Montana due to Monarch's intervention. However, unlike in his battle with the MUTOs, Godzilla's battle with MUTO Prime leaves him with visible injuries all over his body, and he is only able to weakly limp away.

I am not saying that the muto is more destructive or more durable. But his combat strategy has killed creatures of the Godzilla species over time. If Monarch had not helped, Godzilla would have been infected and killed as well.

Again, it is the same relationship between a tarantula hawk and a tarantula. The spider is bigger and stronger, but the wasp always wins. The wasp is the predator.

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Postby Moogabunga » Sat May 25, 2019 11:37 am

To those who have seen the movie, if someone were to say the plot was "ridiculously dumb", what specific elements of the plot could you see being brought up, even if you don't agree at all?

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Postby Godzilla2000Zero » Sat May 25, 2019 11:46 am

Moogabunga wrote:To those who have seen the movie, if someone were to say the plot was "ridiculously dumb", what specific elements of the plot could you see being brought up, even if you don't agree at all?

Vera's arc mostly but the movie clearly shows that she's not in her right mind anyway.
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Postby Olzh26 » Sat May 25, 2019 11:49 am

Appeal to those who watched the movie. Was there any new, interesting information about Godzilla in the film?

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Postby Godzilla2000Zero » Sat May 25, 2019 11:56 am

Olzh26 wrote:Appeal to those who watched the movie. Was there any new, interesting information about Godzilla in the film?

He has a lair where he replenishes his nuclear energy some lost civilization worshipped Godzilla
He's much more active in the this time
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Postby Olzh26 » Sat May 25, 2019 11:57 am

Godzilla2000Zero wrote:
Olzh26 wrote:Appeal to those who watched the movie. Was there any new, interesting information about Godzilla in the film?

He has a lair where he replenishes his nuclear energy some lost civilization worshipped Godzilla
He's much more active in the this time

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Postby marcdrac » Sat May 25, 2019 12:43 pm

They had leaked the post credit scene on youtube! Where Alan Jonah is seen in a warehouse on the island of Mona with one of Ghidorah's heads. What is your opinion?

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Postby BrazilianKaiju » Sat May 25, 2019 3:54 pm

Vandarker wrote:
American Godzilla wrote:I've heard that Ghidorah has regenerative powers. How does this (plus Ghidorah's armored hide/durability) handle Godzilla blue Atomic Breath? Does Ghidorah not take any damage from it?

Ghidorah is durable enough to not take any damage from Godzilla's atomic breath. He gets pushed back or knocked over when he's caught off guard, but he takes no real damage.

The only time Ghidorah uses his regenerative powers is when he re-grows his head, other than that he pretty much never gets injured until Fire Godzilla comes on scene. And Fire Godzilla is so powerful that Ghidorah is literally obliterated and doesn't even get a chance to regenerate.



An interesting thing, the middle head was alive and seemed to be able to regenerate until Godzilla completely destroyed it. But the head that was cut off in Mexico was completely dead when the fishermen found it.

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Postby Godzilla2000Zero » Sat May 25, 2019 4:19 pm

marcdrac wrote:They had leaked the post credit scene on youtube! Where Alan Jonah is seen in a warehouse on the island of Mona with one of Ghidorah's heads. What is your opinion?

Nothing spectacular but it may up the human conspiracy in Godzilla vs Kong
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Postby indieskywalker » Sat May 25, 2019 5:43 pm

For those who saw screenings already.

I’ll put it simply. The negative reviews on YouTube have me all worried. Is the monster action lacking again? Am I gonna leave the theater wishing there was more of it? And was the movie underwhelming as a whole? As a Godzilla fan, I just wanna see my fav monsters come to life and give them plenty of screen time, even if they’re not fighting each other.

I don’t necessarily care about if the plot is Oscar worthy. Average plot would be good for me.

Was KOTM The Last Jedi levels of disappointing? Or am I getting too worried?

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Postby Vandarker » Sat May 25, 2019 5:51 pm

BrazilianKaiju wrote:
"As depicted in the Phoenician stone tablets, however, Dagon was no match for MUTO Prime in physical combat and was quickly brought down and infected with his enemy's parasitic young, eventually leading to his death."

"They witnessed the arrival of what was almost certainly Jinshin-Mushi, which attacked Dagon and knocked him to the ground before extending arrow-tipped tentacles from its body and stabbing him with them. Dagon eventually regained consciousness and returned to the sea, with the inscriptions suggesting that he had miraculously been saved from death. However, Monarch's Dr. Emma Russell knew what had really become of Dagon. Jinshin-Mushi had implanted its parasitic young inside of Dagon's body. These parasites leeched off of Dagon's internal nuclear energy until he finally collapsed and died, becoming entombed in a cave in the Philippines which had been uncovered in 1999"

He definitely defeated Dagon, but he needed a live host to feed his eggs. The relationship is the same between a wasp and a tarantula. The wasp is the predator here.

And, about Godzilla:

"MUTO Prime's eggs emit a sonic pulse while inside a host that signals to their mother that they are safely incubating and change MUTO Prime's response from fight to flight. Emma Russell was able to exploit this by replicating the sonic pulse effect, called the "Drums of Raijin," using a prototype for her sonar device the ORCA. This pacified MUTO Prime long enough for Godzilla to take the upper hand in their battle. While its shell can protect it from most damage, MUTO Prime is finally killed when Godzilla stomps on and crushes its head while it is helpless after being knocked onto its back."

"Godzilla can also be outmatched in one-on-one combat by an enemy comparable to him in size and strength, as observed in his encounters with MUTO Prime. MUTO Prime relies on its powerful forelimbs to stun Godzilla with a well-timed punch to the face, while also successfully drawing blood from him with the sharp claws on its smaller additional arms. MUTO Prime's sonic roar is also powerful enough to completely shatter his dorsal fins. MUTO Prime's speed allows it to escape before Godzilla can react, meaning MUTO Prime gradually weakens Godzilla over several encounters by attacking him and retreating before it sustains any damage itself. Monarch determines that Godzilla lost his battle against MUTO Prime in France, as he sustains numerous wounds while MUTO Prime escapes mostly unharmed. Godzilla is nearly infected by MUTO Prime's parasitic spores twice, and only manages to survive and win their final battle in Montana due to Monarch's intervention. However, unlike in his battle with the MUTOs, Godzilla's battle with MUTO Prime leaves him with visible injuries all over his body, and he is only able to weakly limp away.

I am not saying that the muto is more destructive or more durable. But his combat strategy has killed creatures of the Godzilla species over time. If Monarch had not helped, Godzilla would have been infected and killed as well.

Again, it is the same relationship between a tarantula hawk and a tarantula. The spider is bigger and stronger, but the wasp always wins. The wasp is the predator.


That's what I'm saying, that's all that she does. A hit-and-run strategy. She attacks Godzilla repeatedly, runs away before Godzilla gets a good chance to retaliate, and keeps doing that until she gets a chance to knock Godzilla down briefly so she can plant the eggs in him and run away.
She puts up a good fight unlike the male and female MUTOs, but she probably knows she will be outclassed if she stays around and fight. She's faster than Godzilla so she can get good hits on him before he reacts and mess him up pretty good, but if Godzilla gets a chance to retaliate she'll be wrecked. She probably did that with Dagon as well.

She's not like Ghidorah who's capable of taking Godzilla head on and overpower him. Though the comparison itself is pretty irrelevant since Godzilla is much bigger and energetic now than he was during the 2014 events.

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indieskywalker wrote:For those who saw screenings already.

I’ll put it simply. The negative reviews on YouTube have me all worried. Is the monster action lacking again? Am I gonna leave the theater wishing there was more of it? And was the movie underwhelming as a whole? As a Godzilla fan, I just wanna see my fav monsters come to life and give them plenty of screen time, even if they’re not fighting each other.

I don’t necessarily care about if the plot is Oscar worthy. Average plot would be good for me.

Was KOTM The Last Jedi levels of disappointing? Or am I getting too worried?

No that's bullshit don't listen to Youtube reviews and don't worry about it
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Postby indieskywalker » Sat May 25, 2019 5:59 pm

Vandarker wrote:
BrazilianKaiju wrote:
"As depicted in the Phoenician stone tablets, however, Dagon was no match for MUTO Prime in physical combat and was quickly brought down and infected with his enemy's parasitic young, eventually leading to his death."

"They witnessed the arrival of what was almost certainly Jinshin-Mushi, which attacked Dagon and knocked him to the ground before extending arrow-tipped tentacles from its body and stabbing him with them. Dagon eventually regained consciousness and returned to the sea, with the inscriptions suggesting that he had miraculously been saved from death. However, Monarch's Dr. Emma Russell knew what had really become of Dagon. Jinshin-Mushi had implanted its parasitic young inside of Dagon's body. These parasites leeched off of Dagon's internal nuclear energy until he finally collapsed and died, becoming entombed in a cave in the Philippines which had been uncovered in 1999"

He definitely defeated Dagon, but he needed a live host to feed his eggs. The relationship is the same between a wasp and a tarantula. The wasp is the predator here.

And, about Godzilla:

"MUTO Prime's eggs emit a sonic pulse while inside a host that signals to their mother that they are safely incubating and change MUTO Prime's response from fight to flight. Emma Russell was able to exploit this by replicating the sonic pulse effect, called the "Drums of Raijin," using a prototype for her sonar device the ORCA. This pacified MUTO Prime long enough for Godzilla to take the upper hand in their battle. While its shell can protect it from most damage, MUTO Prime is finally killed when Godzilla stomps on and crushes its head while it is helpless after being knocked onto its back."

"Godzilla can also be outmatched in one-on-one combat by an enemy comparable to him in size and strength, as observed in his encounters with MUTO Prime. MUTO Prime relies on its powerful forelimbs to stun Godzilla with a well-timed punch to the face, while also successfully drawing blood from him with the sharp claws on its smaller additional arms. MUTO Prime's sonic roar is also powerful enough to completely shatter his dorsal fins. MUTO Prime's speed allows it to escape before Godzilla can react, meaning MUTO Prime gradually weakens Godzilla over several encounters by attacking him and retreating before it sustains any damage itself. Monarch determines that Godzilla lost his battle against MUTO Prime in France, as he sustains numerous wounds while MUTO Prime escapes mostly unharmed. Godzilla is nearly infected by MUTO Prime's parasitic spores twice, and only manages to survive and win their final battle in Montana due to Monarch's intervention. However, unlike in his battle with the MUTOs, Godzilla's battle with MUTO Prime leaves him with visible injuries all over his body, and he is only able to weakly limp away.

I am not saying that the muto is more destructive or more durable. But his combat strategy has killed creatures of the Godzilla species over time. If Monarch had not helped, Godzilla would have been infected and killed as well.

Again, it is the same relationship between a tarantula hawk and a tarantula. The spider is bigger and stronger, but the wasp always wins. The wasp is the predator.


That's what I'm saying, that's all that she does. A hit-and-run strategy. She attacks Godzilla repeatedly, runs away before Godzilla gets a good chance to retaliate, and keeps doing that until she gets a chance to knock Godzilla down briefly so she can plant the eggs in him and run away.
She puts up a good fight unlike the male and female MUTOs, but she probably knows she will be outclassed if she stays around and fight. She's faster than Godzilla so she can get good hits on him before he reacts and mess him up pretty good, but if Godzilla gets a chance to retaliate she'll be wrecked. She probably did that with Dagon as well.

She's not like Ghidorah who's capable of taking Godzilla head on and overpower him. Though the comparison itself is pretty irrelevant since Godzilla is much bigger and energetic now than he was during the 2014 events.

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indieskywalker wrote:For those who saw screenings already.

I’ll put it simply. The negative reviews on YouTube have me all worried. Is the monster action lacking again? Am I gonna leave the theater wishing there was more of it? And was the movie underwhelming as a whole? As a Godzilla fan, I just wanna see my fav monsters come to life and give them plenty of screen time, even if they’re not fighting each other.

I don’t necessarily care about if the plot is Oscar worthy. Average plot would be good for me.

Was KOTM The Last Jedi levels of disappointing? Or am I getting too worried?

No that's bullshit don't listen to Youtube reviews and don't worry about it


Will I be dissatisfied with the monster action? I’m not expecting Pacific Rim 1 levels but I also have high hopes that Mike Dougherty actually fixed the flaws of G14.

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Re: Godzilla ² General Discussion [SPOILERS]

Postby batzilla » Sat May 25, 2019 6:26 pm

Not sure if this was posted. A reaction from MovieBob, who was pretty harsh on 2014:

Hey, @Mike_Dougherty - I don't think I'm allowed to say why yet, but you are now my new God and next time you come to Boston I owe you a beer. Several if you like. Respect. THANK YOU.
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