How would TK feel about a Pacific Rim crossover?

[LockBite]

I really hated PR’s tone and overloads of Power Rangers cheese. Beyond that, the universe PR inhabits has different rules. Kaiju are generally weaker, softer, more numerous, and more disposable. And undeniably, even if he just sat there, Godzilla would steal every scene.

[LSD Jellyfish]

After seeing Pacific Rim 2, while it’s not horrible and actually has some decent action, I can easily say mix

Pacific Rim is too focused on badass robots with little regard or austerity for the Kaiju. The Kaiju of PR aren’t viewed in the same godlike or glowing way as Godzilla, and they’re all interchangeable.

[vibramrunner]

I'm pretty pessimistic on the long-term prospects for PR. I like the first movie for what it is, don't get me wrong, but I feel like a crossover would do a lot more for PR than for the MonsterVerse. As a franchise, the MonsterVerse doesn't need PR.

[Ryguy]

^"butt... wut about gipsy Danger and godzilla teeming up "

[GodzillaFan1990's]

The only way I can really see a crossover working at some point is the two dimensions meeting one another like Godzilla being brought over to the PR dimension or vice versa or PR kaiju finding a way into the MonsterVerse through a rift. They're rather too different to be sharing the same universe considering the different tech.

[eabaker]

Pacific Rim is too focused on badass robots with little regard or austerity for the Kaiju. The Kaiju of PR aren’t viewed in the same godlike or glowing way as Godzilla, and they’re all interchangeable.

Totally! I'm not even sure why fans tend to classify them as kaiju movies; they're movies about big vehicles, and they use kaiju as fodder.

[PitchBlackProgress]

After seeing PR2… hell no, still.

[Maritonic]

Pacific Rim is too focused on badass robots with little regard or austerity for the Kaiju. The Kaiju of PR aren’t viewed in the same godlike or glowing way as Godzilla, and they’re all interchangeable.

Totally! I'm not even sure why fans tend to classify them as kaiju movies; they're movies about big vehicles, and they use kaiju as fodder.

I agree with this statement 100%.

[ebirah_scampi]

After seeing PR2… hell no, still.

I just got back from seeing Uprising, and I wholeheartedly agree.

[ernesth100]

Pacific Rim is too focused on badass robots with little regard or austerity for the Kaiju. The Kaiju of PR aren’t viewed in the same godlike or glowing way as Godzilla, and they’re all interchangeable.

Totally! I'm not even sure why fans tend to classify them as kaiju movies; they're movies about big vehicles, and they use kaiju as fodder.

That's literally the plot of the entire PR franchise kaiju have always been fodder.

[eabaker]

Pacific Rim is too focused on badass robots with little regard or austerity for the Kaiju. The Kaiju of PR aren’t viewed in the same godlike or glowing way as Godzilla, and they’re all interchangeable.

Totally! I'm not even sure why fans tend to classify them as kaiju movies; they're movies about big vehicles, and they use kaiju as fodder.

That's literally the plot of the entire PR franchise kaiju have always been fodder.

Hence my point: it's not a kaiju franchise, it's a franchise that happens to have some kaiju in it.

[ernesth100]

Totally! I'm not even sure why fans tend to classify them as kaiju movies; they're movies about big vehicles, and they use kaiju as fodder.

That's literally the plot of the entire PR franchise kaiju have always been fodder.

Hence my point: it's not a kaiju franchise, it's a franchise that happens to have some kaiju in it.

Ah fair point at that. But that's exactly why a crossover might work. The contrasting themes might make for a greater clash.

[morgoth]

After seeing PR2… hell no, still.

Aeffingmen.

[RamshackleRanger]

That's literally the plot of the entire PR franchise kaiju have always been fodder.

Hence my point: it's not a kaiju franchise, it's a franchise that happens to have some kaiju in it.

Ah fair point at that. But that's exactly why a crossover might work. The contrasting themes might make for a greater clash.

It's really not though.
Throwing two series with completely different overall tones, styles, and themes together won't make something interesting, it will make something messy.

[eabaker]

Hence my point: it's not a kaiju franchise, it's a franchise that happens to have some kaiju in it.

Ah fair point at that. But that's exactly why a crossover might work. The contrasting themes might make for a greater clash.

It's really not though.
Throwing two series with completely different overall tones, styles, and themes together won't make something interesting, it will make something messy.

Well, now I'm torn.

Juxtaposition is one of the most powerful weapons in an artist's arsenal. A good storyteller can wring amazing emotion and energy out of a meaningful contrasting of disparate elements, tones or styles.

But that past where the juxtaposition has to be meaningful, that's what I don't see. At a fundamental story/thematic level, what could a PR/Godzilla crossover be about? What could it be saying?

Okay, not torn. I still don't think it's a good idea.

[RamshackleRanger]

Ah fair point at that. But that's exactly why a crossover might work. The contrasting themes might make for a greater clash.

It's really not though.
Throwing two series with completely different overall tones, styles, and themes together won't make something interesting, it will make something messy.

Well, now I'm torn.

Juxtaposition is one of the most powerful weapons in an artist's arsenal. A good storyteller can wring amazing emotion and energy out of a meaningful contrasting of disparate elements, tones or styles.

But that past where the juxtaposition has to be meaningful, that's what I don't see. At a fundamental story/thematic level, what could a PR/Godzilla crossover be about? What could it be saying?

Okay, not torn. I still don't think it's a good idea.

Juxtaposition is great - shoving two polar opposites in a blender because they both have giant monsters is not.

[eabaker]

It's really not though.
Throwing two series with completely different overall tones, styles, and themes together won't make something interesting, it will make something messy.

Well, now I'm torn.

Juxtaposition is one of the most powerful weapons in an artist's arsenal. A good storyteller can wring amazing emotion and energy out of a meaningful contrasting of disparate elements, tones or styles.

But that past where the juxtaposition has to be meaningful, that's what I don't see. At a fundamental story/thematic level, what could a PR/Godzilla crossover be about? What could it be saying?

Okay, not torn. I still don't think it's a good idea.

Juxtaposition is great - shoving two polar opposites in a blender because they both have giant monsters is not.

And I think part of the problem I see is that they're not even polar opposites; if they were, then the juxtaposition would almost invariably reveal a meaning in pairing the two. They're different, but not in ways that complement one another. And PR really just doesn't bring enough to the table.

[Dynomy-DX]

Well, now I'm torn.

Juxtaposition is one of the most powerful weapons in an artist's arsenal. A good storyteller can wring amazing emotion and energy out of a meaningful contrasting of disparate elements, tones or styles.

But that past where the juxtaposition has to be meaningful, that's what I don't see. At a fundamental story/thematic level, what could a PR/Godzilla crossover be about? What could it be saying?

Okay, not torn. I still don't think it's a good idea.

Juxtaposition is great - shoving two polar opposites in a blender because they both have giant monsters is not.

And I think part of the problem I see is that they're not even polar opposites; if they were, then the juxtaposition would almost invariably reveal a meaning in pairing the two. They're different, but not in ways that complement one another. And PR really just doesn't bring enough to the table.

Out of curiosity, what would be the example of a good juxtaposition, per say?

[eabaker]

Juxtaposition is great - shoving two polar opposites in a blender because they both have giant monsters is not.

And I think part of the problem I see is that they're not even polar opposites; if they were, then the juxtaposition would almost invariably reveal a meaning in pairing the two. They're different, but not in ways that complement one another. And PR really just doesn't bring enough to the table.

Out of curiosity, what would be the example of a good juxtaposition, per say?

The first thing that pops into my head is gore and slapstick comedy, as in Evil Dead II or Dead Alive.

[BlankAccount]

Pacific Rim is too focused on badass robots with little regard or austerity for the Kaiju. The Kaiju of PR aren’t viewed in the same godlike or glowing way as Godzilla, and they’re all interchangeable.

Totally! I'm not even sure why fans tend to classify them as kaiju movies; they're movies about big vehicles, and they use kaiju as fodder.

Because it's about mechs fighting kaiju.