Whiny article in the Guardian

neo kaijubait · Post by **neo kaijubait** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:26 am

https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmbl ... -week-geek

The Octopus · Post by **The Octopus** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:34 am

Well in all fairness these type of "versus" movies tend to be weak. Lets be honest here. Frankenstein meets the Wolfman, King Kong vs Godzilla, Batman vs Superman, Freddy vs Jason and Aliens vs Predator weren't exactly great films.

Mr_Goji_and_Watch · Post by **Mr_Goji_and_Watch** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:40 am

>implying Toho had choice to do something better than suits

Hey wtf I hate fake news now

LegendaryGoji · Post by **LegendaryGoji** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:51 am

Shhh! The Octopus wrote:Well in all fairness these type of "versus" movies tend to be weak. Lets be honest here. Frankenstein meets the Wolfman, King Kong vs Godzilla, Batman vs Superman, Freddy vs Jason and Aliens vs Predator weren't exactly great films.

Agreed, but with what we've heard with the writers' room as ect and Wingard's recent comments, I'm hoping GvK turns the tide on the versus genre.

That and, I don't think 'Warner Brothers' want another BvS situation in their hands, and this is coming from someone who actually likes BvS (the Ultimate Cut at least).

Zarm · Post by **Zarm** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:56 am

Shhh! The Octopus wrote:Well in all fairness these type of "versus" movies tend to be weak. Lets be honest here. Frankenstein meets the Wolfman, King Kong vs Godzilla, Batman vs Superman, Freddy vs Jason and Aliens vs Predator weren't exactly great films.

Sadly, I think Aliens vs Predator has been the high point of the Aliens franchise post-1986, and Frankenstein meets the Wolfman had one of the more compelling plots of the post Bride-of-Frankenstein entries (due largely to Talbot's tragic condition). But I take your meaning; those are due to the deterioration of the series rather than inherent quality of the entries.

Mr. Yellow · Post by **Mr. Yellow** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:09 am

Yeah, I don't think that author quite understands. I know Hollywood is obsessed with crossovers and vs. movies, and vs. movies don't have the best rep to begin with, especially Godzilla. But it CAN be done right. At the end of the day, yes most just want to see two monsters fighting, but I believe it will be more than that. You can't compare this film to the previous movie, or even to any previous films featuring Kong or Godzilla. This is meant to be different. I have total faith in Wingard that he will do both characters justice, while delivering a movie that will satisfy all who see it.

Post by **eabaker** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:33 am

Shhh! The Octopus wrote:Well in all fairness these type of "versus" movies tend to be weak. Lets be honest here. Frankenstein meets the Wolfman, King Kong vs Godzilla, Batman vs Superman, Freddy vs Jason and Aliens vs Predator weren't exactly great films.

I haven't seen BvS, and I certainly don't have a very high opinion of FvJ or AvP.

But Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman and King Kong vs. Godzilla are both, at the bare minimum, not crap; and that alone puts them in the top 10% of human art and entertainment (per Theodore Sturgeon).

That said, in the case of KKvsG, a lot of its strength comes from its awareness of the absurdity of its own concept.

GalacticPetey · Post by **GalacticPetey** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:29 pm

KKvG is in my top ten G films. It's a very fun movie that doesn't take itself too seriously. And Captain America: Civil War was a really good VS movie I would say.

Post by **eabaker** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:58 pm

GalacticPetey wrote:KKvG is in my top ten G films. It's a very fun movie that doesn't take itself too seriously. And Captain America: Civil War was a really good VS movie I would say.

KKvsG is in my top 3 G films. Maybe my top 2.

GalacticPetey · Post by **GalacticPetey** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:40 pm

Thinking about it, it's probably even top 5 for me.

SpaceG92 · Post by **SpaceG92** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:29 pm

I would call KKvG a guilty pleasure. Fight me, but I prefer the US re-score in some parts. /shrug

-but yeah, "vs" films have a notorious bad rep.

Mr_Goji_and_Watch · Post by **Mr_Goji_and_Watch** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:55 pm

SpaceG92 wrote:I would call KKvG a guilty pleasure. Fight me, but I prefer the US re-score in some parts. /shrug

-but yeah, "vs" films have a notorious bad rep.

Why would you call it a guilty pleasure when it's actually a decent movie?

SpaceG92 · Post by **SpaceG92** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:24 pm

Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:
SpaceG92 wrote:I would call KKvG a guilty pleasure. Fight me, but I prefer the US re-score in some parts. /shrug

-but yeah, "vs" films have a notorious bad rep.
Why would you call it a guilty pleasure when it's actually a decent movie?
<unrelated image>

~~~because I have bad tastes in movies.

Mr_Goji_and_Watch · Post by **Mr_Goji_and_Watch** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:48 pm

SpaceG92 wrote: ~~~because I have bad tastes in movies.

REEEEEEE GET OUT YOU CAN ONLY LIKE SHOWA

In all seriousness, it is true that "vs" movies have a stigma that's justfied most of the time, the whole article really comes off as nerd elitism.

LegendaryGoji · Post by **LegendaryGoji** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:46 am

SpaceG92 wrote:
Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:
SpaceG92 wrote:I would call KKvG a guilty pleasure. Fight me, but I prefer the US re-score in some parts. /shrug

-but yeah, "vs" films have a notorious bad rep.
Why would you call it a guilty pleasure when it's actually a decent movie?
<unrelated image>
~~~because I have bad tastes in movies.

Nah, man. Don't think like that. You like what you like. Taste is subjective after all.

Xagzan · Post by **Xagzan** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:03 am

Shhh! The Octopus wrote:Well in all fairness these type of "versus" movies tend to be weak. Lets be honest here. Frankenstein meets the Wolfman, King Kong vs Godzilla, Batman vs Superman, Freddy vs Jason and Aliens vs Predator weren't exactly great films.

But they are iconic. Well, most of those.

The Octopus · Post by **The Octopus** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:05 am

^ Iconic isn't the issue. Its the quality of the film that is the point of contention.

BARAGONBREH · Post by **BARAGONBREH** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:40 am

Good article, to be honest. I was against a Kong vs Godzilla film when people first started talking about it before Legendary had even acquired the rights, for many of the reasons the article gives. I'm still pretty skeptical. Looking forward to the G14 sequel far more.

Post by **eabaker** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:48 am

Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:
SpaceG92 wrote:In all seriousness, it is true that "vs" movies have a stigma that's justified most of the time, the whole article really comes off as nerd elitism.

I just file that away under Sturgeon's Revelation. 90% of "vs" movies are crap, but that's actually not a worse average than anything else.

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