MonsterVerse: Beyond 2020

[BlankAccount]

I'm gonna be honest, when you guys were saying Aladdin was gonna fail or whatever, I wanted to ask what the skreeonk you guys were smoking, not because it looked good but because it's a Disney film. I just kept my mouth shut cause I'm sick of fighting with fans instead of talking with fans.

Agreed. It seems like these last few entries (G14, Shin G, Anime Trilogy, and KOTM) have kinda torn the fandom down the middle more than usual. I got my opinions on all of them, both positive and negative, but I'm sick of people either giving NO credit to one of these films or giving TOO MUCH credit to any of them. I admit I'm not immune to this, but this infighting among fans has really gotten old.

Disney could film someone shitting and it'd still do well. I'm not saying people are stupid, it's that Disney has built up a reputation for quality with it's name so people are kind of trained to expect a good time when they see the name in much the same way they are when they see the Marvel logo. They've been building that for decades, its gonna take more than a few stinkers or mediocre films before your general movie goer starts seeing the name with some caution.

My only problem with G-Fans now is that some of them just can't let their hate boner for the critics go. So what if KOTM got a low score? Critics get beloved films low score's all the time! I can't really remember anything bad with 14 (most just complained about Godzilla's screentime but that was honestly minor),Shin got hate because of how bizzare the film was yet is getting praised as one of the best films nowadays so I think that issue resolved itself. The Anime Trilogy ...just speaks for itself.

I don't know why some fans act shocked that critics hated it. Had a guy (or two guys? Can't remember) badger me to give an example of any professional critics who ever said the kaiju genera is trash and I'm thinking "do you live under a rock?". I'm a Godzilla fan, I knew I was gonna see the movie regardless of what non fans said. And it's not like the critics were wrong about everything, a lot of the criticisms I agree with them. It is a flawed movie. But I also went in ignoring most critics cause I knew there was gonna be complaints that were nonsensical or stupid like "movie bad cause it don't have a cute dog grrrr". And I was right, I know this cause other fans keep telling me the stupid stuff critics said (that dog one is true, someone PM me to complain about it).

But it doesn't take a psychic to know that was gonna happen,cause it's happened before. Not just with Godzilla films, but with films in general. I'm just surprised the comparison to a wet fart was made by (what I assume to be) a fully grown, functioning adult human and not the bully on the school playground.

[Stump Feet]

But I also went in ignoring most critics cause I knew there was gonna be complaints that were nonsensical or stupid like "movie bad cause it don't have a cute dog grrrr". And I was right, I know this cause other fans keep telling me the stupid stuff critics said (that dog one is true, someone PM me to complain about it

Geez dude, that comment didn’t even come out until Crawl had been in theaters for a few weeks and wasn’t even from a movie critic.

I’m starting to think maybe people around here don’t know the difference between an actual movie critic, and some random chick typing up a hype article for a no name website

[Mr_Goji_and_Watch]

Geez dude, that comment didn’t even come out until Crawl had been in theaters for a few weeks and wasn’t even from a movie critic.

I’m starting to think maybe people around here don’t know the difference between an actual movie critic, and some random chick typing up a hype article for a no name website

The same handful of quotes DEFINE EVERYONE!!!!!!

[BlankAccount]

Geez dude, that comment didn’t even come out until Crawl had been in theaters for a few weeks and wasn’t even from a movie critic.

I’m starting to think maybe people around here don’t know the difference between an actual movie critic, and some random chick typing up a hype article for a no name website

The same handful of quotes DEFINE EVERYONE!!!!!!

Sir, I did not say everyone said stupid shit, I even said I agreed with a lot of the criticisms, stop trying to twist words for a fight.

[Cookson]

If you remember Aladdin was actually not tracking all that great before opening weekend. It had fantastic word of mouth that just propelled it after that. It’s opening weekend multiplier is pretty crazy if you look at that on
Bom.

KotMs domestic total isn’t terrible... not great or good... maybe just fine? It’s overseas totals are what really hurt it. Even with China’s big total, it still made less that G14 overseas.

[miguelnuva]

I always knew Aladdin would do 1B, just wish kotm would have made it closer to that 800m mark.

[Xx_The_Masquerade_xX]

KotMs domestic total isn’t terrible... not great or good... maybe just fine? It’s overseas totals are what really hurt it. Even with China’s big total, it still made less that G14 overseas.

Well it made 90$ million less the previous installment and almost 60$ million less than Skull Island.
As a matter of a fact it made 35$ million less then ''The MEG''
An it only made 9$ million more then Rampage...

So no KOTM total is terrible, fine would have been 150$ million domestic. KOTM only 50$ million less internationally then G-2014 did.

[Hokmuto]

I always knew Aladdin would do 1B, just wish kotm would have made it closer to that 800m mark.

Two billion dollar movies (if KOTM made around 800 million) can’t coexist with each other. If you always knew Aladdin would reach 1 billion, then there is no logical way you can believe that KOTM will even make 800 million.

[_JNavs_]

The Meg wouldn't have stood a chance in KOTMs position.

All things considered this was the biggest beating given to the Monsterverse yet, and i don't think any Monsterflick would have stood a chance. KOTM did pretty decent compared to the other films released that month.

[LSD Jellyfish]

People still haven't caught onto the idea that the movie business is inherently always full of competition and KOTM failed, not because of Aladdin, but that simply less people wanted to see KOTM then those that wanted to see Aladdin? I was going through Reddit and shit, and I've seen so many excuses blaming marvel and disney, and there's so much toxic overblown hate.

[Smuggers]

The weather just wasn't that good in May, nobody wanted to go out and see movies!

[SoggyNoodles2016]

People still haven't caught onto the idea that the movie business is inherently always full of competition and KOTM failed, not because of Aladdin, but that simply less people wanted to see KOTM then those that wanted to see Aladdin? I was going through Reddit and poop, and I've seen so many excuses blaming marvel and disney, and there's so much toxic overblown hate.

….I'm lost. KOTM didn't fail because of Aladdin but because more people want to see Aladdin instead of KOTM....which means it is because of Aladdin.

Not disagreeing with your point that this was due to normal movie circumstances and not some sinister Marvel/Disney shadow empire, but I just don't get what you're seeing here, my dude.

[_JNavs_]

The weather just wasn't that good in May, nobody wanted to go out and see movies!

There's a big difference between rival films and whether it rained that month or not.


You can't think that the movie slate for that month was a non-issue.

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….I'm lost. KOTM didn't fail because of Aladdin but because more people want to see Aladdin instead of KOTM....which means it is because of Aladdin.

Not disagreeing with your point that this was due to normal movie circumstances and not some sinister Marvel/Disney shadow empire, but I just don't get what you're seeing here, my dude.

Yeah while it is typical business strat, to say Aladdin didn't play a part is nonsensical.

[Mr_Goji_and_Watch]

What were the bigger issues were definitely the critical reception and poor word of mouth

[_JNavs_]

I'd say critical reception and a weak release date. We can even take into consideration the modest reactions to G14 as a part of the problem.

Word of Mouth from Gen Audiences seemed mostly positive though.

[Smuggers]

Previous Monsterverse films had some stiff competition but managed to pull through in the end. I think with KOTM it's just that the studio pretty much left it to die. It wasn't good enough to justify coming out when it did, it would've been good as one of those "Hey that was alright" movies that come out in dead periods (Rise of The Planet of the Apes, The Meg) but WB/Legendary flushed it away down the summer blockbuster bowl.

[LSD Jellyfish]

People still haven't caught onto the idea that the movie business is inherently always full of competition and KOTM failed, not because of Aladdin, but that simply less people wanted to see KOTM then those that wanted to see Aladdin? I was going through Reddit and poop, and I've seen so many excuses blaming marvel and disney, and there's so much toxic overblown hate.

….I'm lost. KOTM didn't fail because of Aladdin but because more people want to see Aladdin instead of KOTM....which means it is because of Aladdin.

Not disagreeing with your point that this was due to normal movie circumstances and not some sinister Marvel/Disney shadow empire, but I just don't get what you're seeing here, my dude.

KOTM failed due to its own merit, not because of some big disney conspiracy.

[Mr_Goji_and_Watch]

I'd say critical reception and a weak release date. We can even take into consideration the modest reactions to G14 as a part of the problem.

Word of Mouth from Gen Audiences seemed mostly positive though.

Doubt G14 is to blame, Kong's marketing had FROM THE PRODUCERS OF GODZILLA slapped all over it and it ended up grossing more than G14. I remember cause I thought that line was going to turn people off.

Rotten Tomatoes isn't a great barometer for audience reception, doubt anybody beyond the niche Letterboxd/self proclaimed movie fan crowd bothers logging and rating films, much less on RT. The hard numbers show that Godzilla was dropping hard week after week, considerably more so than G14 and KSI.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

People still haven't caught onto the idea that the movie business is inherently always full of competition and KOTM failed, not because of Aladdin, but that simply less people wanted to see KOTM then those that wanted to see Aladdin? I was going through Reddit and poop, and I've seen so many excuses blaming marvel and disney, and there's so much toxic overblown hate.

….I'm lost. KOTM didn't fail because of Aladdin but because more people want to see Aladdin instead of KOTM....which means it is because of Aladdin.

Not disagreeing with your point that this was due to normal movie circumstances and not some sinister Marvel/Disney shadow empire, but I just don't get what you're seeing here, my dude.

KOTM failed due to its own merit, not because of some big disney conspiracy.

Right. That's what I thought you were saying, just got confused by the wording at first. Thanks for clarifying.

[_JNavs_]

I still don't think the films quality overall did any worse than most modern U.S. blockbusters.

I actually felt the script and acting was slightly above plenty of big cape flicks that have come out recently.