Re: Godzilla : Awakening - Do you consider it canon or not?
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:01 am
JVR hinted that Lawton destroyed GodzillaGawdziller1954 wrote:Surprising, seeing as it only took me a few reads of Awakening side-by-side to the film and other materials to conclude awakening contradicts MV canon.Ivo-goji wrote:UmGawdziller1954 wrote: That's not Godzilla attacking a ship, that's Godzilla intercepting Shinomura.
That looks like a ship getting attacked to me.
Now he was also pursuing Shinomura when this happened, but (as I've already pointed out many times), no one believed Serizawa the Elder when he said Godzilla was chasing Shinomura the whole time. Monarch only realized Godzilla was attacking ships in hindsight, because at first they thought it was the Russians, but that doesn't mean they realized why he was doing it until after the MUTO incident, which was what confirmed that the two Serizawas were right about Godzilla's instinct towards other kaiju.
Godzilla attacking a large, weaponized, foreign object in his territory isn't unusual, he only backed off of castle bravo after they lowered their arms. Animals attack vehicles in their territory all the time, and just because Godzilla is supposed to violent toward other kaiju doesn't mean he didn't perceive the loud, noise, large, and dangerously-armed foreign objects in his territory to be intruders/challengers.
Added in 9 minutes 10 seconds:1. Godzilla was not recognized by Monarch until 1954 and was not seen as a possible assailant because they didn't believe in his existence and believed Shinomura was the sole culprit, if awakening is to be believed.Ivo-goji wrote:UmGawdziller1954 wrote: That's not Godzilla attacking a ship, that's Godzilla intercepting Shinomura.
That looks like a ship getting attacked to me.
Now he was also pursuing Shinomura when this happened, but (as I've already pointed out many times), no one believed Serizawa the Elder when he said Godzilla was chasing Shinomura the whole time. Monarch only realized Godzilla was attacking ships in hindsight, because at first they thought it was the Russians, but that doesn't mean they realized why he was doing it until after the MUTO incident, which was what confirmed that the two Serizawas were right about Godzilla's instinct towards other kaiju.
Then why did the USS Lawton Incident happen in 1943?"Lucky Dragon" Featurette states that the ships were lost "over the past months". I'd think that if they attacks happened for years (as they did in Awakening) they'd say "Years."
Not after they identified Godzilla and immediately decided to blow him up.This also contradicts the fact that Shinomura is considered the only culprit for the attacks in the comics.
Not really, not unless you bend over backwards to interpret the information in other Monsterverse sources specifically to exclude Awakening.Given that Lucky Dragon, the Monarch Timeline, and the explanation given in 2014 contradict Awakening, this is false.
The people writing the actual material (KotM novelization, Aftershocks) clearly consider Awakening canon.
It takes a fine tooth comb and a significant amount of imagination to arrive at these "contradictions" that allegedly damage the canon so much.Awakening does more damage to canon than it does good.
If anything, Awakening solves a major inconsistency in Godzilla's characterization throughout the Monsterverse's history: Why did Godzilla attack human vessels at any point in time if he's supposed to be only violent towards other kaiju? Because those incidents were all encounters with Shinomura.
2. JVR himself stated Godzilla was not the culprit for the USS Lawton attack.
3. Which they decided to do because of his westward trajectory, not because of his previous aggression.
4. If by "Bend over backwards" you mean "take a basic look at the comic and realize it doesn't fit into canon", then yeah. Besides, novelizations are not canon and Aftershock has nothing to imply Awakening is canon.
5. Just because Godzilla is aggressive to other Kaiju does not mean he wouldn't attack a large, weaponized, noisy, and well-armored object moving through his territory. Godzilla also got aggressive with Castle Bravo, and only stood down once they lowered their arms and armor. That's also discounting the fact that, given the secret frequency Emma Russel used in the Orca is that of a human, Godzilla may have perceived the warships and/or their human crews as challengers.