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LSD Jellyfish wrote:The point still would stand that G14 is a generic blockbuster that shouldn't be critically acclaimed as an artistic endeavor.
Again I'm not saying it's bad, I just don't see it as anything then what it is, a fun monster romp that shouldn't be viewed as a directorial masterpiece.
It's all subjective isn't it?
Your point?
Huh. Thought it was pretty clear.
Ok well, to further explain is that what you find to be a "generic blockbuster" can be seen as an artistic endeavor if the viewer sees it that way. It all varies depending on the interpretation of each audience member.
Your misconceptions and fantasies along with your misguided sense of entitlement don't dictate my actions.
Gareth Edward's likes making War movies, it was evident in Godzilla and so far seems very evident in Rogue One (which works better due to lack of Jedi) and minimal role by Darth Vader as rumored.
I didn't like how Gareth Edwards ALWAYS tried to show Godzilla from the human point of view. I just don't think he is the best one to handle Godzilla 2 but i'll be willing to give him ONE and ONLY ONE more chance to deliver a good Godzilla movie.
Max B script was shit, but we also don't know just how much was actually his due to to many cooks being in the kitchen with that script.
What they need to get through there head is this is NOT military human drama movie, this is a monster movie... When i pay 14$ it's not for 1 hour 45 min of humans 15 of Godzilla. An obviously neither did the rest of the general audience.
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ScootaVaran wrote:Another "how I feel about this movie" thread?
More of a "how I feel about the director" thread
It's all the same now.
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As of now I'm indifferent to him. He doesn't really have a style that pops out as great or terrible. And as a result, while I enjoyed G14, it doesn't pop out to me like it really could've.
Hopefully Gareth gets things more interesting and exciting the next movie, then my opinion will change on him.
ScootaVaran wrote:Another "how I feel about this movie" thread?
More of a "how I feel about the director" thread
It's all the same now.
That's not true, there's the General Discussion thread, the User Review thread, the two Godzilla or Pacific Rim? threads, the One-Year later thread, the things you liked about G' 14 thread, the things you didn't like about G '14 thread, all with a rich diversity of opinion on this one film's...yeah, nvm, I see what you mean.
G14 is about as generic a Godzilla film as you can get. I was hoping something that what would break the mold. G14 ended up being just another throwaway Godzilla film. I want something like what Empire Strikes Back to for sci-fi movies or what The Dark Knight did for super hero films. I'm just not sure Gareth has it in him. At least not from what I've seen of him recently. Though Im curious what with Rogue probably being a more action oriented affair. G14 almost seemed afraid to show much action. If he can take what he learns from SW and applies that to Godzilla 2 he may actually have something. Don't hurt Rogue probably has a better screenwriter attached to the project. Also just drop the more dramatic sentimental stuff, which Gareth isn't very good at, and just make it fun. The few brief bits of excitement in G14 was simply not enough to make up for its long stretches of boredom.
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Garth is a good technical and visual director but not a good director of his actors. Monsters suffered because of this and so did Godzilla 2014, and I wouldn't be surprised if Rogue One suffered as well.
Sadly, I must make you aware that anything I say is my opinion.
Contrary to popular belief, I did like Godzilla 2014
Though I doubt Rogue will be as straight up dead serious as Monsters or G14. I'm curious to see what Gareth can do when he just tries to have fun with something.
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Underworld54 wrote:Garth is a good technical and visual director but not a good director of his actors. Monsters suffered because of this and so did Godzilla 2014, and I wouldn't be surprised if Rogue One suffered as well.
I respectfully disagree. I think he's a good director overall, and he has good intentions, he just needs some better writers.
Chris55 wrote:
Wait, you think Gareth directed Jurassic World?
No I don't. I'm saying that stylistically Jurassic world and G14 were very similar despite having different directors. In other words I'm saying that I'm convinced that Legendady had a ton of oversight on G14 than people give credit for and its not an auteur film.
Legendary wasn't very involved with JW aside from $.
They weren't involved at all aside from the $, contraty to what Tull wants people think.
Sadly, I must make you aware that anything I say is my opinion.
Contrary to popular belief, I did like Godzilla 2014
I would fully agree a military angle was not the right choice for a compelling human storyline and that probably soured audiences more than anything else, I thought.
I had previously assumed Edwards was restricted for budgetary reasons, which made it seem justified, but if he just made a creative choice to withhold Godzilla, he kind of fucked us over and my opinion of the film is significantly lowered.
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JVM wrote: I highly doubt Warner Bros. gave Edwards the kind of financial and creative freedom to give us an hour of CGI Godzilla vs. MUTO screentime and he just skreeonked us over by only including fifteen minutes. Warner Bros. is not the kind of movie studio that freely hemorrhages money, like Disney, and when they give people creative freedom, it's usually a director they have trusted for several years, not some new kid on the block.
The Godzilla/Kong movies are all Legendary movies with WB distributing. Legendary pays for a bulk of the movie so they can call the shots.
As far as the monster screentime goes, it was more of Gareth's story telling choice (although there's alternate/extended shots etc which cost $$$ to do and were cut out) but I think that for Godzilla 2 etc, it's not a choice that can be repeated. Especially when they paid for KG, Rodan, and Mothra. You don't cut away from THAT!
Your misconceptions and fantasies along with your misguided sense of entitlement don't dictate my actions.
I obviously voted to boot him off. Edwards' style seems to very one of elongated dullness. While I think Monsters was ok (and had an excuse to be conservative with it's monsters' screentime given it's microscopic bidget), it completely lacked anything memorable. G'14 was a more important movie to me personally, so I naturally remember more of it, but it overall still suffers from the same problem. If you didn't care one way or the other about Godzilla, and you saw this movie for the first time, the only thing you'd remember a week later was that it kept cutting away from the monster action, and that was a stylistic choice made primarily on his part. While I'm sure he'll listen to some criticism about character development and all that, his particular style is obvious, and it lacks both substance and entertainment value. It's not dark or graphic enough to be gut wrenching, it's not fast enough or colorful enough to be fun, it's not well thought out enough to be thought provoking or gripping... It's just slow and boring, and I think that's the worst sin a movie can make. I'd rather watch a fun disaster like Godzilla Vs. Megalon than a snoozefest like G'14.
Castellan Zilla wrote:What? No dots on SHMA Mothra?! In the trash she goes.
Mr. Xeno wrote:I obviously voted to boot him off. Edwards' style seems to very one of elongated dullness. While I think Monsters was ok (and had an excuse to be conservative with it's monsters' screentime given it's microscopic bidget), it completely lacked anything memorable. G'14 was a more important movie to me personally, so I naturally remember more of it, but it overall still suffers from the same problem. If you didn't care one way or the other about Godzilla, and you saw this movie for the first time, the only thing you'd remember a week later was that it kept cutting away from the monster action, and that was a stylistic choice made primarily on his part. While I'm sure he'll listen to some criticism about character development and all that, his particular style is obvious, and it lacks both substance and entertainment value. It's not dark or graphic enough to be gut wrenching, it's not fast enough or colorful enough to be fun, it's not well thought out enough to be thought provoking or gripping... It's just slow and boring, and I think that's the worst sin a movie can make. I'd rather watch a fun disaster like Godzilla Vs. Megalon than a snoozefest like G'14.
Yeah I agree up to a point. I didn't think it was a total snoozefest as the first and third acts kept my attention, but the second act bored the crap out of me. I'm willing to give him one more shot and I hope he listens to the criticisms and nixes the teasing/cutaway crap and gives more interesting characters. Like I've said many times, if he repeats these mistakes this franchise/universe will die a nasty death and we will not get Godzilla vs Kong or any other kaiju films that were supposed to be coming down the pike.
Great visuals and a true understanding of cinema as a visual medium.
How to make landscape and deliberate pacing engrossing to the viewer. Sort of like a Terrence Malick of Giant Monster Movies. I think that's the best way I can put it.
JVM wrote: I highly doubt Warner Bros. gave Edwards the kind of financial and creative freedom to give us an hour of CGI Godzilla vs. MUTO screentime and he just skreeonked us over by only including fifteen minutes. Warner Bros. is not the kind of movie studio that freely hemorrhages money, like Disney, and when they give people creative freedom, it's usually a director they have trusted for several years, not some new kid on the block.
The Godzilla/Kong movies are all Legendary movies with WB distributing. Legendary pays for a bulk of the movie so they can call the shots.
As far as the monster screentime goes, it was more of Gareth's story telling choice (although there's alternate/extended shots etc which cost $$$ to do and were cut out) but I think that for Godzilla 2 etc, it's not a choice that can be repeated. Especially when they paid for KG, Rodan, and Mothra. You don't cut away from THAT!
What? Really?
Well, fuck. I take it all back then. I can't fathom any creative reason why such a stupid decision would occur.
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