GuardianGhido wrote: Vakanai wrote:
Sorry, let me clarify, I might have come across wrong. I wasn't implying that I want the Monsterverse to end. Far from it; I've loved everything that's come so far especially KOTM and would love to see where it goes from here. I'm just worried that GvK will fall victim to the same Box Office and critic reaction that KOTM did (since the GA don't seem to share our enthusiasm), which if this were to happen, the MV would end, and with a wimper at that. That's what I meant by "the pain will soon be done and over with." I definitely want the MV to continue, mostly so I can see what happens with that Ghidorah head (crossing my fingers for a DAM remake).
GvK will not fall victim to the woes of KOTM for four reasons (critic maybe, box office no). One, might not help KOTM, but many people who didn't check it out in theaters will have seen it on Netflix or HBO or something by then, and since the audience that did see the film loved it a lot more than the critics did, they'll be more likely to watch the sequel whether the critics poop on this movie like they did KOTM or not. Two, no Avengers Endgame. Trust me, that movie had a lot more to do with KOTM underperforming than the critics and Rotten Tomatoes. I mean, those things didn't help, but the big thing was Endgame caused a lot of big movie fatigue, and nothing that hyped is set for next year. Although Mulan might do like Aladdin did, which would suck, but still no Endgame. Three, no five year wait. I read somewhere that some people might've thought this was a Godzilla reboot instead of a sequel because of the wait. And finally four, Kong. Having both mainstream giant monsters in one film is going to help this film a lot. Honestly, there are people who still don't know Kong and Godzilla are both part of the same universe (not everyone stayed for or remembered the K:SI credits).
So yeah, even if the critics snub this film (very unfairly I might add) like they did KOTM, it won't hurt that much. Endgame especially, and the other things I mentioned, were this movie's undoing more than that.
Real question isn't if GvK will do well, but looking at KOTM, will it do well enough to save the Monsterverse going forward? I really don't need a Destroy All Monsters, but I do want a Godzilla 3 to wrap up that Ghidorah head plot hook. Keep your fingers crossed!
Well that's quite an optimistic take. I appreciate it. Also, Mulan apparently isn't as big of a Disney classic as Aladdin was and I heard that there's going to be some very controversial changes about removing some characters so maybe it won't be as much of a monster as Aladdin is. (though it will at least come VERY close for the Disney name alone). If the Endgame Curse really wears off by then, we might actually see some success.
Not that optimistic, pretty solid evidence and reasoning to think Endgame and Aladdin were the main contributors over this flopping, with the five year wait and rotten critics making it worse. GvK shouldn't have to deal with anything on that level knocking it down except possibly the rotten critics again, and I still contend they were the smallest factor at play this go around. Unless something unforeseen happens, GvK would have to do better by virtue of fewer and less massive obstacles. So not really optimism, solid reasoning that only feels like optimism due to the still fresh sting of how KOTM has fared. Endgame was a curse for the movies that came after it.
Also, I wouldn't rule Mulan out of doing better than Aladdin despite the changes, it'll still do well enough over here in the west because Disney, but China could push it well over Aladdin. I mean a big live action Disney remake based on a Chinese folktale? Yeah, I don't care how it compares to the original, it's going to pull in big...yuan? Whatever the Chinese version of the dollar is.Added in 2 minutes 24 seconds:
gottatalktothefake wrote:I was going to see Mulan only due to Make a man out of you being my favorite Disney song ever. But since it won’t be there I ain’t going
YEAH MAN DO YOUR PART, WATCH OUT MOVIES AND DONT WATCH DISNEY
Might not be the best place to post this but we've had some BO talk so...apparently the Marvel bois are desperate enough to push Endgame above Avatar that they're re-releasing it with "additional content", likely a post-credits scene (Every Marvel fan that stopped repeatedly watching will start again) Will this hurt us?
Yes, yes it will. Even if the additional content isn't much, a second go around of this juggernaut is not good news for any other movie currently out.Added in 3 minutes 55 seconds:
MikeSTZillak wrote:Excuse me, but what's with all the sudden hate for Endgame?
No hate for the movie, just hate for the cheap cash grab tactic of a rerelease so soon. It already made all the money, do they really need to push it past Avatar? It's so damn corporate and soulless of a move. But the movie itself was fun, if a little overhyped in my opinion (not even in my top 3 MCU movies).