GODZILLA VS. KONG (2020) General Discussion Thread (No Leaks, Unofficial Photos/Vids, etc.)

[G2000]

Not Beauty and the Beast, but as I said above, they did make some pointless changes to Aladdin, for the worse..

There was Gay LeFou but that was largely a half-assed attempt at virtue signaling and stirring up controversy for advertising purposes

In any case, to tie it into the topic I am somewhat worried about it being released so close to Milan after watching Aladdin and Endgame completely tag team the May-June box office

[KingKaiju]

Hey, it's better than that early rumor of the white savior merchant who comes along to meet Mulan and becomes her love interest. Woooooo man, that would've been BAAAAAD!

[MikeSTZillak]

Not Beauty and the Beast, but as I said above, they did make some pointless changes to Aladdin, for the worse..

There was Gay LeFou but that was largely a half-assed attempt at virtue signaling and stirring up controversy for advertising purposes

And a useless prologue.

[BlankAccount]

Hey, it's better than that early rumor of the white savior merchant who comes along to meet Mulan and becomes her love interest. Woooooo man, that would've been BAAAAAD!

....

I literally sweat a little reading that and just imagining the backlash.

[GuardianGhido]

Hey, it's better than that early rumor of the white savior merchant who comes along to meet Mulan and becomes her love interest. Woooooo man, that would've been BAAAAAD!

....

I literally sweat a little reading that and just imagining the backlash.

Damn, I wish they kept that. The backlash would be beneficial for GvK and would be great catharsis for what they did (and are going to do with Endgame re-release planned) to KOTM.

[Vakanai]

Sorry, let me clarify, I might have come across wrong. I wasn't implying that I want the Monsterverse to end. Far from it; I've loved everything that's come so far especially KOTM and would love to see where it goes from here. I'm just worried that GvK will fall victim to the same Box Office and critic reaction that KOTM did (since the GA don't seem to share our enthusiasm), which if this were to happen, the MV would end, and with a wimper at that. That's what I meant by "the pain will soon be done and over with." I definitely want the MV to continue, mostly so I can see what happens with that Ghidorah head (crossing my fingers for a DAM remake).

GvK will not fall victim to the woes of KOTM for four reasons (critic maybe, box office no). One, might not help KOTM, but many people who didn't check it out in theaters will have seen it on Netflix or HBO or something by then, and since the audience that did see the film loved it a lot more than the critics did, they'll be more likely to watch the sequel whether the critics poop on this movie like they did KOTM or not. Two, no Avengers Endgame. Trust me, that movie had a lot more to do with KOTM underperforming than the critics and Rotten Tomatoes. I mean, those things didn't help, but the big thing was Endgame caused a lot of big movie fatigue, and nothing that hyped is set for next year. Although Mulan might do like Aladdin did, which would suck, but still no Endgame. Three, no five year wait. I read somewhere that some people might've thought this was a Godzilla reboot instead of a sequel because of the wait. And finally four, Kong. Having both mainstream giant monsters in one film is going to help this film a lot. Honestly, there are people who still don't know Kong and Godzilla are both part of the same universe (not everyone stayed for or remembered the K:SI credits).

So yeah, even if the critics snub this film (very unfairly I might add) like they did KOTM, it won't hurt that much. Endgame especially, and the other things I mentioned, were this movie's undoing more than that.

Real question isn't if GvK will do well, but looking at KOTM, will it do well enough to save the Monsterverse going forward? I really don't need a Destroy All Monsters, but I do want a Godzilla 3 to wrap up that Ghidorah head plot hook. Keep your fingers crossed!

Well that's quite an optimistic take. I appreciate it. Also, Mulan apparently isn't as big of a Disney classic as Aladdin was and I heard that there's going to be some very controversial changes about removing some characters so maybe it won't be as much of a monster as Aladdin is. (though it will at least come VERY close for the Disney name alone). If the Endgame Curse really wears off by then, we might actually see some success.

Not that optimistic, pretty solid evidence and reasoning to think Endgame and Aladdin were the main contributors over this flopping, with the five year wait and rotten critics making it worse. GvK shouldn't have to deal with anything on that level knocking it down except possibly the rotten critics again, and I still contend they were the smallest factor at play this go around. Unless something unforeseen happens, GvK would have to do better by virtue of fewer and less massive obstacles. So not really optimism, solid reasoning that only feels like optimism due to the still fresh sting of how KOTM has fared. Endgame was a curse for the movies that came after it.

Also, I wouldn't rule Mulan out of doing better than Aladdin despite the changes, it'll still do well enough over here in the west because Disney, but China could push it well over Aladdin. I mean a big live action Disney remake based on a Chinese folktale? Yeah, I don't care how it compares to the original, it's going to pull in big...yuan? Whatever the Chinese version of the dollar is.

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I was going to see Mulan only due to Make a man out of you being my favorite Disney song ever. But since it won’t be there I ain’t going

YEAH MAN DO YOUR PART, WATCH OUT MOVIES AND DONT WATCH DISNEY

Might not be the best place to post this but we've had some BO talk so...apparently the Marvel bois are desperate enough to push Endgame above Avatar that they're re-releasing it with "additional content", likely a post-credits scene (Every Marvel fan that stopped repeatedly watching will start again) Will this hurt us?

Yes, yes it will. Even if the additional content isn't much, a second go around of this juggernaut is not good news for any other movie currently out.

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Excuse me, but what's with all the sudden hate for Endgame?

No hate for the movie, just hate for the cheap cash grab tactic of a rerelease so soon. It already made all the money, do they really need to push it past Avatar? It's so damn corporate and soulless of a move. But the movie itself was fun, if a little overhyped in my opinion (not even in my top 3 MCU movies).

[gottatalktothefake]

I was going to see Mulan only due to Make a man out of you being my favorite Disney song ever. But since it won’t be there I ain’t going

For real? Thats a great song. My daughter loves it.

It’s my workout song

[Hokmuto]

I was going to see Mulan only due to Make a man out of you being my favorite Disney song ever. But since it won’t be there I ain’t going

For real? Thats a great song. My daughter loves it.

It’s my workout song

TK members work out? Wot? This is like some paradox or something

[KingKong2005]

For real? Thats a great song. My daughter loves it.

It’s my workout song

TK members work out? Wot? This is like some paradox or something

You should see my six pack! I crack it open every time a fight pops up here and just kick back.

[Gojira2K]

It’s my workout song

TK members work out? Wot? This is like some paradox or something

You should see my six pack! I crack it open every time a fight pops up here and just kick back.

[BlankAccount]

Hey, it's better than that early rumor of the white savior merchant who comes along to meet Mulan and becomes her love interest. Woooooo man, that would've been BAAAAAD!

....

I literally sweat a little reading that and just imagining the backlash.

Damn, I wish they kept that. The backlash would be beneficial for GvK and would be great catharsis for what they did (and are going to do with Endgame re-release planned) to KOTM.

And I was using literally the right way. My brow and neck were wet when I touched them.

[KingKaiju]

Hey, it's better than that early rumor of the white savior merchant who comes along to meet Mulan and becomes her love interest. Woooooo man, that would've been BAAAAAD!

....

I literally sweat a little reading that and just imagining the backlash.

Damn, I wish they kept that. The backlash would be beneficial for GvK and would be great catharsis for what they did (and are going to do with Endgame re-release planned) to KOTM.

I'd argue that it might not stop the trolls from seeing it, but then again I think about all the trolls that were going to boycott Captain Marvel and how that turned out. Would be great for Godzilla vs. Kong though. I love me some more representation, but god I want this film to do well.

[GodzillaFan1990's]

I recall Disney is removing I'll Make a Man Out of You and replacing Shan Yu with this sorceress.

Ugh. Why!

[Gothicserpent]

I recall Disney is removing I'll Make a Man Out of You and replacing Shan Yu with this sorceress.

Ugh. Why!

I mean. Atleast it will be different.

[KingKaiju]

Disney can take those changes and...




See what I did there? Bam! Transition, back on topic! Apparently the footage shown at that event was "spectacular," but we've all heard that one before, haven't we?

[Hokmuto]

Disney can take those changes and...




See what I did there? Bam! Transition, back on topic! Apparently the footage shown at that event was "spectacular," but we've all heard that one before, haven't we?

Where did you hear that from?

[GuardianGhido]

Disney can take those changes and...




See what I did there? Bam! Transition, back on topic! Apparently the footage shown at that event was "spectacular," but we've all heard that one before, haven't we?

Nice transition, mate!

Spectacular huh? That's actually good news because that means the actual monster action might be on the level of KOTM or at least KSI! So even if critics and General audience despise any fun that doesn't have a big brand name or superheroes, a lot of us will at least enjoy it just as much as we enjoyed KOTM! If we get the immensely satisfying long-awaited high budget match between the King of The Monsters and the King of Skull Island, even if the Monsterverse ends, it can end with no regrets. (Hoping it doesn't, but still, silver God Ray in the Ghidorah storm cloud if if comes to that)

[Hokmuto]

Disney can take those changes and...




See what I did there? Bam! Transition, back on topic! Apparently the footage shown at that event was "spectacular," but we've all heard that one before, haven't we?

Nice transition, mate!

Spectacular huh? That's actually good news because that means the actual monster action might be on the level of KOTM or at least KSI! So even if critics and General audience despise any fun that doesn't have a big brand name or superheroes, a lot of us will at least enjoy it just as much as we enjoyed KOTM! If we get the immensely satisfying long-awaited high budget match between the King of The Monsters and the King of Skull Island, even if the Monsterverse ends, it can end with no regrets. (Hoping it doesn't, but still, silver God Ray in the Ghidorah storm cloud if if comes to that)

Me: I’m about to end this man’s whole optimism

It was very early footage, so no fights or anything like that. Just probably some silhouette and with cool music and that’s it. Also since they saw some exclusive footage that no one else will see, they automatically would like it more.

Also no, critics and general audiences like fun that doesn’t have a brand name or superhero’s; in fact brand names became brands because of their inherent fun. This is a really weird argument.

[GuardianGhido]

Disney can take those changes and...




See what I did there? Bam! Transition, back on topic! Apparently the footage shown at that event was "spectacular," but we've all heard that one before, haven't we?

Nice transition, mate!

Spectacular huh? That's actually good news because that means the actual monster action might be on the level of KOTM or at least KSI! So even if critics and General audience despise any fun that doesn't have a big brand name or superheroes, a lot of us will at least enjoy it just as much as we enjoyed KOTM! If we get the immensely satisfying long-awaited high budget match between the King of The Monsters and the King of Skull Island, even if the Monsterverse ends, it can end with no regrets. (Hoping it doesn't, but still, silver God Ray in the Ghidorah storm cloud if if comes to that)

Me: I’m about to end this man’s whole optimism

It was very early footage, so no fights or anything like that. Just probably some silhouette and with cool music and that’s it. Also since they saw some exclusive footage that no one else will see, they automatically would like it more.

Also no, critics and general audiences like fun that doesn’t have a brand name or superhero’s; in fact brand names became brands because of their inherent fun. This is a really weird argument.

Hm, I suppose that makes sense. But considering the direction of the Monsterverse so far and the very premise of GvK (Literally about two iconic giant monsters fighting), it should be pretty hard to give us something that much worse than Kong Skull Island or King of The Monsters. The only way it could possibly be a complete failure is if Godzilla and Kong either never fight or fight like the Anime movie slideshows for like 8 seconds.

(And the whole critics thing was the leftover salt, sorry. Hopefully it's out of my system by now)

[KingKaiju]

Disney can take those changes and...




See what I did there? Bam! Transition, back on topic! Apparently the footage shown at that event was "spectacular," but we've all heard that one before, haven't we?

Where did you hear that from?

Big big big big grain of salt.

GODZILLA VS KING KONG CINEEUROPE FOOTAGE 'SPECTACULAR'; MAY KEEP RELEASE DATE from Cosmic Book News

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Disney can take those changes and...




See what I did there? Bam! Transition, back on topic! Apparently the footage shown at that event was "spectacular," but we've all heard that one before, haven't we?

Nice transition, mate!

Spectacular huh? That's actually good news because that means the actual monster action might be on the level of KOTM or at least KSI! So even if critics and General audience despise any fun that doesn't have a big brand name or superheroes, a lot of us will at least enjoy it just as much as we enjoyed KOTM! If we get the immensely satisfying long-awaited high budget match between the King of The Monsters and the King of Skull Island, even if the Monsterverse ends, it can end with no regrets. (Hoping it doesn't, but still, silver God Ray in the Ghidorah storm cloud if if comes to that)

Me: I’m about to end this man’s whole optimism

It was very early footage, so no fights or anything like that. Just probably some silhouette and with cool music and that’s it. Also since they saw some exclusive footage that no one else will see, they automatically would like it more.

Also no, critics and general audiences like fun that doesn’t have a brand name or superhero’s; in fact brand names became brands because of their inherent fun. This is a really weird argument.

Yeah, as happy as it makes me to hear. We've seen this before. Going to just pull back on the optimism until I see some real footage.