Need help with some Godzilla and Muto facts.

[miguelnuva]

Hey guys needed a little help with a debate on another forum.

1. As we all know Godzilla was at Castle Bravo in the film where he was nuked. Castle Bravo was a 15MT nuke but Hampton in the film says the bomb used was Kiloton not Megaton. I'm arguing Godzilla was hit with the 15MT nuke as H-bombs can't be KT but he argues that Hampton's word is law any advice for this argument?

2. Second argument he considers the male Muto to be ranked the same as G98.

[g2vd]

1. Here is something. the movie made a big mistake, many movies do that and It clearly acknowledges that bomb was a megaton. it is reasonable to assume that it didn't change the events of the Castle Bravo Bomb, being a 15 Megaton Bomb.

2. What a idiot. the Male Muto was weaker than the Female Muto. but did he even watch the movie, the Male Muto gave Godzilla a heck of a lot of trouble. and it also took Copter fire, and it was not phased only annoyed like Heisei Godzilla. where as Zilla would have ran away, and would have been bleeding, and Godzilla bit him quite a lot in the movie. if he was as powerful as Zilla he would have been ripped to shreds by his teeth and than by his claws.

[Mr. Xeno]

2. What a idiot. the Male Muto was weaker than the Female Muto. but did he even watch the movie, the Male Muto gave Godzilla a heck of a lot of trouble. and it also took Copter fire, and it was not phased only annoyed like Heisei Godzilla. where as Zilla would have ran away, and would have been bleeding, and Godzilla bit him quite a lot in the movie. if he was as powerful as Zilla he would have been ripped to shreds by his teeth and than by his claws.

Although the Male MUTO WAS killed with a building.

[Dinozaurus]

Although the Male MUTO WAS killed with a building.

Godzilla's tail was probably the major factor, given that the plates on his tail chopped the male's arm off too.

[miguelnuva]

I think I'm going to leave the debate he just said G98 could beat G55 in a fight at best he ranks them in the same playing field.

[Dinozaurus]

Yeah I think he's teasing you.

[miguelnuva]

Yeah I think he's teasing you.

Oh no he's dead serious. I might post one of his quotes.

[TheSecondComing]

I didn't think Captain Hampton's quote was referring specifically to Castle Bravo. Then again, Dr. Graham made it sound like Godzilla was hit with every single atomic bomb: "All those nuclear bomb tests in the 50s. Not tests."

[BlankAccount]

Although the Male MUTO WAS killed with a building.

He wasn't killed by the building, he was killed by the tail.

I swear some of you people don't seem to get how fast a tail that long and heavy would have to be moving to actually be used as a weapon, iguanas have been known to break dogs legs with a tail whip, now scale that up. . He survived being in Godzilla's MOUTH and was thrown through a few buildings just fine.

[Mr. Xeno]

Although the Male MUTO WAS killed with a building.

He wasn't killed by the building, he was killed by the tail.

I swear some of you people don't seem to get how fast a tail that long and heavy would have to be moving to actually be used as a weapon, iguanas have been known to break dogs legs with a tail whip, now scale that up. . He survived being in Godzilla's MOUTH and was thrown through a few buildings just fine.

Except for the fact that it was totally the building. Look at 10:32 through 10:39. You can see that the MUTO was impaled with building fragments. It was clearly the building that killed it.

[Gelo]

Although the Male MUTO WAS killed with a building.

He wasn't killed by the building, he was killed by the tail.

I swear some of you people don't seem to get how fast a tail that long and heavy would have to be moving to actually be used as a weapon, iguanas have been known to break dogs legs with a tail whip, now scale that up. . He survived being in Godzilla's MOUTH and was thrown through a few buildings just fine.

Except for the fact that it was totally the building. Look at 10:32 through 10:39. You can see that the MUTO was impaled with building fragments. It was clearly the building that killed it.

But it's really obvious that Muto broke tons of bones before the building impact, he would've just died slower if there was no building in the way.

[PRIMEVAL]

It wasn't the man who shot him that killed him, it was the bullet.

[Mr. Xeno]

But it's really obvious that Muto broke tons of bones before the building impact, he would've just died slower if there was no building in the way.

I watched that shot about 20 times, and no it is not. The film shows that the MUTOs are quite durable. Directly beforehand, Godzilla is able to bite its wing and knock it through several buildings, and it showed no signs of damage or fatigue, and yet a mere tail whack (all by itself) is supposed to be an ultra-lethal finishing move? And even if it somehow was, then why does the film imply otherwise by showing the MUTO to be impaled with building fragments? What daikaiju worth their salt is vulnerable to building fragments?

It wasn't the man who shot him that killed him, it was the bullet.

Because guns are just as efficient when their clips are empty.

[Dinozaurus]

I watched that shot about 20 times, and no it is not. The film shows that the MUTOs are quite durable. Directly beforehand, Godzilla is able to bite its wing and knock it through several buildings, and it showed no signs of damage or fatigue, and yet a mere tail whack (all by itself) is supposed to be an ultra-lethal finishing move? And even if it somehow was, then why does the film imply otherwise by showing the MUTO to be impaled with building fragments? What daikaiju worth their salt is vulnerable to building fragments?

It was a pretty strong tail smack, as Godzilla put his whole body into it. Not to mention the Muto got sandwiched between the tail and the building. If a huge crocodile tail smacked a person as hard as it could against a wooden shack they'd die too, and they'd probably have wood fragments lodged in them. Also his tail has those rather sharp looking spines. Those are probably what severed the Muto's arm.

[PRIMEVAL]

It wasn't the man who shot him that killed him, it was the bullet.

Because guns are just as efficient when their clips are empty.

It wasn't the man who bashed him in the head with an empty gun that killed him but the butt of the gun? o.O

[Godzilla165]

But it's really obvious that Muto broke tons of bones before the building impact, he would've just died slower if there was no building in the way.

I watched that shot about 20 times, and no it is not. The film shows that the MUTOs are quite durable. Directly beforehand, Godzilla is able to bite its wing and knock it through several buildings, and it showed no signs of damage or fatigue, and yet a mere tail whack (all by itself) is supposed to be an ultra-lethal finishing move? And even if it somehow was, then why does the film imply otherwise by showing the MUTO to be impaled with building fragments? What daikaiju worth their salt is vulnerable to building fragments?

It wasn't the man who shot him that killed him, it was the bullet.

Because guns are just as efficient when their clips are empty.

Because Godzilla's tail was traveling at speeds close to the speed of sound? And that the male was struck with the armored portion of the tail? And that it's a massive fucking tail filled with muscle? Yeah, it was the tail that killed the Muto, period. By your logic, a man getting struck in the head by a steel bat doesn't kill him, but the wall that his head slammed against from the impact did. Plus, considering the Male was literally a mangled mess with limbs falling off, and how his body literally folded up against Godzilla's tail... It was his bloody fucking tail that killed him. The wall that your pinned against didn't kill you, the speeding car that connected with your body and sent all of that kinetic energy and momentum into you did.

[Mr. Xeno]

It was a pretty strong tail smack, as Godzilla put his whole body into it. Not to mention the Muto got sandwiched between the tail and the building. If a huge crocodile tail smacked a person as hard as it could against a wooden shack they'd die too, and they'd probably have wood fragments lodged in them. Also his tail has those rather sharp looking spines. Those are probably what severed the Muto's arm.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm sure that tail smack would have hurt no matter what, but as you yourself pointed out, he was sandwiched between the building. He died because he was slammed against the building and was thusly impaled by building fragments. And the main difference between the MUTO and your crocodile comparison is that, yes, I would be vulnerable to such an attack. But I didn't get slammed into wooden shacks beforehand and then just walk away unscathed. The MUTOs, on the other hand, were clearly shown to have a degree of durability when Godzilla swung the Male MUTO through several buildings directly beforehand, without any indication the the MUTO was actually impaired or damaged in any significant way. It makes sense for the FeMUTO to die the way she did, and the tail whack against the building actually was a pretty cool little moment in and of itself, but it just shouldn't have been lethal.

It wasn't the man who bashed him in the head with an empty gun that killed him but the butt of the gun? o.O

You compared the MUTO's death with that of a shooting. From that, it can be extrapolated that the tail smack was the man pulling the trigger, and the impact with the building was the impact with the bullet. Now, can a man still kill you if his gun has no bullets in it? Obviously yes, but to do so, he has to change his course of action. What you're saying is that the tail whack would have killed the MUTO no matter what, even if there was no impact with the building, and saying that is like saying that a man can still shoot you with no bullets. He can find other ways to kill you, like shooting his nuclear breath down your throat, but he can't specifically SHOOT YOU with his gun, just like how Godzilla can't specifically kill the MUTO if he didn't have the building there to slam it into.

Because Godzilla's tail was traveling at speeds close to the speed of sound?

That is absolute nonsense and is completely unsupported, not to mention absolutely impossible even within Godzilla's universe. There may be incarnations of Godzilla where he's pretty speedy, but a 90,000 ton, 355 foot tall tank that's able to move parts of his body anywhere near 671 million miles per hour? No, just plain no.

It was his bloody fucking tail that killed him.

It was the bloody fucking building that killed him.

[miguelnuva]

Mr Xeno Gareth said in a documentary Godzilla swings his tail at near supersonic speed.

[Mr. Xeno]

Mr Xeno Gareth said in a documentary Godzilla swings his tail at near supersonic speed.

So? The director can say whatever he wants. It doesn't mean that it suddenly stops being incredibly stupid and devoid of any kind of sense.

[ScrumpBump]

The supersonic tail whip is kinda a thing with some sauropods, actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjjhBL722c#t=109

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/whi ... saur-tails
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/02/scien ... rrier.html

This Godzilla already has sauropod feet, him having their deadly tails isn't a terrible far cry from sense making.
At the very least, it has some real world footing in movie realism.