MechaGodzilla to appear in Godzilla 2?!

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Space Hunter M wrote:Mechagodzilla would be fun, so that's why he shouldn't be used. We need a more realistic kaiju, like Bagan or Gwangi.
Again, and a giant golden, three-headed dragon is realistic?

Seriously, realism just flew out the fucking window when they announced that they've acquired the rights to him, enough with this "realism" nonsense.

PS, LazerWhale per the square-cube law, the animal's strength::mass ratio is actually CUT when you increase the size of the creature. As tvtropes puts it: “if you double a critter’s height while keeping it the same shape, you end up with four times the muscle power moving eight times the mass, so instead of having the same relative agility as the original, the double-sized creature actually has only half.” So there you go, Godzilla would not be able to exist, period without collapsing under his own weight at that size, and the monster strengthening itself as it grew to where it could still support itself at that height and mass defies every single law of science and physics out there. If they can ignore these rules for his sake, they can for a MechaGodzilla since both would be scientifically impossible IRL, MG would at least be powered by a generator that could produce energy to help it move, and be anchored by the bones of a creature that also defied the square-cube law.
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Space Hunter M wrote:Mechagodzilla would be fun, so that's why he shouldn't be used. We need a more realistic kaiju, like Bagan or Gwangi.
Again, and a giant golden, three-headed dragon is realistic?

Seriously, realism just flew out the skreeonking window when they announced that they've acquired the rights to him, enough with this "realism" nonsense.

PS, LazerWhale per the square-cube law, the animal's strength::mass ratio is actually CUT when you increase the size of the creature. As tvtropes puts it: “if you double a critter’s height while keeping it the same shape, you end up with four times the muscle power moving eight times the mass, so instead of having the same relative agility as the original, the double-sized creature actually has only half.” So there you go, Godzilla would not be able to exist, period without collapsing under his own weight at that size, and the monster strengthening itself as it grew to where it could still support itself at that height and mass defies every single law of science and physics out there. If they can ignore these rules for his sake, they can for a MechaGodzilla since both would be scientifically impossible IRL, MG would at least be powered by a generator that could produce energy to help it move, and be anchored by the bones of a creature that also defied the square-cube law.
Compared to the Mutos, a golden three headed dragon is normal. A little thing called, "Polycephaly", helps a lot.

I'd love to see Mechagodzilla in a American Godzilla film, but in this series it would be utterly stupid.

-The in universe cost would nearly bankrupt quite a few people/countries, just to get a prototype working.
-The time it would take to create the Mech from scratch, even if they used the skeleton, it would take forever.
-Missiles have already proven to be useless against Godzilla.
-Masers haven't even been established(Just those lasers they used to "try" and Kill Male Muto as he was hatching).
-Collateral damage would be going through the roof, just from it moving through a city.
-No type of Wild Card weapon (Force Field, Plasma Grenade/G-Buster, AZ Cannon).
-No Aliens/Time travelers, to give them tech to reverse engineer.


Though the biggest problem would be Godzilla, he's a near pure melee fighter, getting knocked over would just end MG there. No amount of armor is going to be able to take the pressure of each stomp, tail lashing, and Atomic Breath for very long.
Closest we would get is Mechagodzilla(93), without any of it's weapons aside from paralyzing and exploding Missles, along with spiked fists, Spike projectiles, and flares.


Want another reason why they wont add MG to LPG, Pacific Rim. The series it built on Robots fighting Monsters, if Godzilla had MG, it would be a Robot fighting a Monster(s).
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A mythical, fantasy creature like a dragon not only A)existing, but B)suffering from an extremely rare condition is more likelike than the MUTO? ROTGDFLMMFAO!
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KManX89 wrote: http://pophangover.com/images/facepalm-2.jpg

My point is that there's no skreeonking way in hell any creature could possibly be strong enough to support all that mass! It defies every single law of science, physics and anatomy out there FFS, hence, by your own logic, this movie should've never been made in the first place if you're seriously going to argue against MechaGodzilla on the grounds of "it wouldn't be able to move under all that mass" which just reeks of all different kinds of fail. Whether or not something is anatomically capable of supporting itself is such a stupid discussion to have when talking about a movie with a 355 foot tall dinosaur in it, I find it laughable that anyone would bring it up really, hence the-well deserved double facepalm GIF above, God bless.
Where did I say anything about Mechagodzilla not being able to withstand it's own mass?
All I listed was that it would be a stupid idea to have him in this type of universe, and how he has no close combat capabilities.

Though the angry post did make me smile, lol
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I just posted that GIF assuming what your last post was gonna be about without actually reading it, I had a sense of what it was gonna be about and lost my shit just thinking about it (knee-jerk), my apologies, yeah, it says nothing about whether it or not it could support itself, which, again, just reeks of fail in a movie about a 355 foot tall dinosaur.

My point is that this series requires a little suspension of disbelief, hence the 355 foot tall dinosaur bit. If we can suspend disbelief for a 355 foot tall gigantis and a giant golden, three-headed dragon (who BTW, is even more massive) existing, then almost nothing is too far out there for this franchise short of aliens, space ships, and whatnot. Otherwise the "by your own logic, this movie shouldn't even exist" can just as easily be applied to that as well, if we can suspend disbelief for the size of Godzilla not being true to life, who's to say we can't suspend disbelief for the costs of building a MechaGodzilla, or downplay it for his sake like we do Godzilla's size? Or hell, they could also throw in a billionaire CEO, kinda like Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark (or hell, even a trillionaire CEO) in addition to having other countries' governments help with funding it to add feasibility to it if need be. In any event, though, "realism" just flew out the window when they announced that a golden, three-headed dragon would be in this series, so using it as an argument against MG is laughable, at best. Gareth has said this series would be grounded in terms of how the world would react to it, not necessarily grounded in reality.

As for it causing damage everywhere it goes, that's what rocket boosters are for, it wouldn't be hovering itself just about the ground so it crashes into buildings everywhere it goes, it would be airborne like any aircraft or flying monster, and I already addressed the "Godzilla could easily smash it" bit: chrome steel, and no, chrome steel does NOT break easily, contrary to your belief of "Godzilla could easily destroy it", just ask Kong (and that was just a tiny piece of chrome the size of his wrists, too, imagine a 355 foot tall piece of chrome in Godzilla form). Also, I think you underestimate how far we've gone with technology. We have Rail Guns and Lightning Guns (Tesla Guns) now (don't believe me?), and his anatomy would allow him to be armed with several of those at once, a luxury you wouldn't have with a tank (even an advanced tank), it could even be used in place of the AZ Canon in his chest, putting 5 of them in there to give off a supercharged electrical blast or whathaveyou, and BTW, each one is reportedly 20,000 volts, if you think 100,000 volts of energy wouldn't harm Godzilla or any giant monster, you've got another thing coming especially if you compound that with spamming the assload of other weapons he has, including rail guns.

And BTW, a nonexistant, mythical creature like a dragon not only A)existing in this universe, but also B)suffering from an extremely rare condition is more feasible than the MUTOs? Now THAT right there is the double facepalmable fail I was talking about in my last post.
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KManX89 wrote:
Space Hunter M wrote:Mechagodzilla would be fun, so that's why he shouldn't be used. We need a more realistic kaiju, like Bagan or Gwangi.
Again, and a giant golden, three-headed dragon is realistic?
All I can hear from this post is the joke soaring above someone's head.

But on-topic; MG is really something they should save for the third movie or a spinoff TV show....though the idea of the military using King Ghidorah's body to make a cyborg is also a way to include Mecha-King Ghidorah without the time-travel aspect, so maybe MKG could replace the heroic Mechagodzilla in this continuity.
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JVM wrote:Bagan should come back, but not in a movie.
Then how? Game? Books? His own line of condoms?
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They could also collect a sample of Godzilla's tissue left from his battle with the MUTOs and use it to create an alloy or metal via DNA cloning technology somehow for MG, or just create a new fictional reactor strong enough to support it using a regular alloy to construct the thing.
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Save MG for a seperate spinoff movie, where fan-spoo can make a Pacific Rim/Godzilla crossover.

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Mecha Godzilla isn't going to me in Godzilla 2. Stupid rumor started by K Popstars.
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